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Wow the way we go oh man you know these

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are some strange craft out here Tim III

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man I'm in Pine Bush New York and you

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can feel the energy in the air and in

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front of me in the field there's this

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strange glowing object that had just

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landed and it's pulsating pulsating just

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like a heart in a an Edgar Allan Poe

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book it's pulsating

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and and there's something strange going

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on here because these are not just

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interplanetary craft this is something a

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lot more bizarre and you know hundreds

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of people living in the area and and

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traveling here have interacted with

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these UFOs in fact there's so much

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interest in the town of Pine Bush that

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annually they have a UFO festival where

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people dress up in Martian outfits with

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aunt Anna and put green paint on and

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dance up and down the street hoping that

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we will come and celebrate with them but

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actually we were up there many years ago

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when this kind of first started but

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tonight why don't you introduce our

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guests and they will tell us all about

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this I mean because one of the guests

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actually played a very big part in the

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ongoing slot

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that took place there a couple decades

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ago now fantastic well Tim our guests

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tonight are dr. Bruce Cornett and Harold

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and I hope I pronounced it right

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yon that separate the best I can do

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Harold so well now dr. Cornett has

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conducted extensive investigations

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concerning the Pine Bush New York UFO

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sightings and during his investigations

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dr. Cornett had his own personal

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experiences in which he obtained video

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and audio recordings of these strange

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crafts and dr. Cornett I know that I

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have seen a number of your pictures and

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heard some of the very unusual audio

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recordings that you took on site there

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in Pine Bush so I'm very interested

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they'll talk to you tonight and we also

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have with this Harold Leone who is a

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lifelong UFO contact experiencer and has

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the nonprofit National Committee for the

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same nuclear policy and has been

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so Harold brute credit great to have you

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with us tonight on exploring the bizarre

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yeah this is a look I'm very anxious to

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to talk to both of these gentlemen that

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about his his background which I know is

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very actually extensive in the UFO field

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uh perhaps the most active or one of the

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start out are Tim let's start out that

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talking with the Bruce because Bruce was

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in this very very fascinating slap now

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bruce's who who actually was the main

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classics it gives us information that we

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fact Tim and I worked on the

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look that's been out for maybe a little

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bit over a year now called UFO repeaters

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experiences in the world those just seem

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photographing bluntly what are UFOs I

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encounters were there and she actually

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friend of ours which is how I met Ellen

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Guccione z-- Omni magazine now of course

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that genre goes and he was making I

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900 lines we could call and you know to

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fiction and science fact which with a

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series of photographs that were taken of

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often arthur c clarke who could not

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possibly stomach the idea that there may

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be some reality when it comes to to ufos

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the area's up there one was a near a

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Jewish cemetery and a couple of rural

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routes there but you know I I had

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friends of mine who had nothing to do

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with UFOs who lived in that area who had

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friends that lived in that area and they

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strange lights but they didn't equate

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phenomena and of course of course we

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between the the two but go ahead you

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did you meet Ellen and how did you get

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going or first find out about the

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authority Earth Observatory at the time

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there and then my wife which is part of

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1991 and we had moved up there from

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Texas in 1988 so I had we had been

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condo and there was a television program

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intruders it was based on the work of

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Budd Hopkins and with room doctor John

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Mack and what surprised me the time

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had no interest in UFOs whatsoever and I

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was shocked that they had this program

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on prime time which I thought was prime

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time which was but eight to ten o'clock

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at night it was a mini-series on alien

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abduction and this really surprised me I

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mean that this would be coming out now

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1980s how there were so much skepticism

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skepticism in the 1990s and but I went

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to the bookstore wanted to know who you

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know if they had this book called

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intruders but Hopkins and the manager he

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went to the bookshelf and he handed it

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then he said you might want to read this

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which had just been published the year

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shocked to find out it was about the

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area I lived in all around and I some I

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knew some friends that had been talking

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about Ellen Crystal's book and I said

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does anybody know how to get in touch

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with her oh yes I'll get you her phone

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number I called her up and introduced

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myself and said I'm interested in seeing

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you know having proof of what's going on

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out there would you be willing to show

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me know Joe as a scientist and I said my

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musician and your last name is crystal

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working together so I think without a

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synchronicity there you go and so the

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picked me up at my condo she had a car

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full of people and one extra seat and I

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got into it and when we get out got out

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to West Sears railroad at the dog lake

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bed I was just you know tagging along

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not knowing what to expect

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I had read her book and I was amazed

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that the things that she reported in the

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book I had never been exposed to this

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before and all of a sudden these crafts

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start coming around and I bought my

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camera and tripod and I was starting to

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take pictures of them because I had the

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idea that okay I want to document this

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you know this is not something that I'm

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just coming out here for entertainment I

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was really seriously interested in

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documenting the phenomenon from the very

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GetGo and we saw all sorts of strange

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lights coming right down on top of the

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trees moving around us and we was out

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this large field out in front of us to

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the east and it was surrounded by force

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and these lights would come over this

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ridge from behind add to our south and

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and

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do a circuit around the field without

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coming over us without coming nearest

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and then they would dive down into the

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force

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well that's these weren't planes and I

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didn't see any hearing an explosion or

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see any mixes so you know flames coming

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out where it disappeared so a figure

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that this you know was not a

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conventional aircraft that I was

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witnessing like opposite Bruce let me

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ask let me ask you real quick now you

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when you say that you were seeing lights

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I mean could you and I know it's

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difficult at night I mean you know could

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you tell you know what color they liked

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attached you know to a larger body or I

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mean at that point could you tell that

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they were seem to be in headlight and

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then a red K light on them and the tail

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light was blinking like an aircraft

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light would would be blinking and but

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they think that they did was that they

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could make right angle turns and stopped

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in midair

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and I captured this on my early pictures

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that I took so then I got even more

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serious and got more equipment and

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whenever Ellen went out she picked me up

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and we went out and she started showing

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me all the locations where she had

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encounters and it was fantastic I mean

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we didn't get to see any crafted all of

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the different localities she took me to

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but some of them we had some spectacular

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stuff happened one time there were three

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other guys with us so there were five

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altogether in two cars and we had parked

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at the Westfield dogleg Bend and set up

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our cameras and we're watching for

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something to happen and all of a sudden

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somebody looked behind us

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now this Ridge that this north-south

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reached behind us it had had a beacon on

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it that aircraft coming into going to

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Stuart the which was on the other side

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of the valley they had used that beacon

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to turn at

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and so we didn't think anything

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initially of it but the fact that they

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lose our series of multicolored lights

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in a row and they were fairly low and

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somebody said that's not normal so I

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started a time exposure I had black and

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white film at the time and I moved my

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camera to take the second time exposure

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and this this cigar shaped object

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unfolded wings and turned on aircraft

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sound and then Bank at that

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beacon on top of the hill and started

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flying in the direction of Stewart

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Airport on the other side of the valley

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well one of the guys said no way and

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goes running towards his car and he

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tells the friends to come with them

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let's just get your camera we're going

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to follow them so I jumped in the

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backseat of her car and we went racing

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down these country roads at an

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unbelievable speed for those back roads

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that day and suddenly we caught up ahead

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of a stop and Ellen stomps and I get out

370
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and - what's going on and the guy in the

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front cart points up disguises it's

372
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right there with this Boeing 707 shaped

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object what had stopped in midair and it

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rotated like on a dime then flew right

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back up over so we got a good look at it

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well I got those two photographs

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developed and they're on one of my

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websites

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it's called agent 707 and have you ever

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been followed home by a Boeing 707 well

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a few months later I was coming home

382
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from work and here comes this a large

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aircraft it was just before dusk I was

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traveling north on the New York Thruway

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and I see way up ahead of what looks

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like it a commercial aircraft coming

387
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towards me but it was below the top of

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Bear Mountain which was off to the right

389
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and a mountain is Rises only 300 feet

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above the valley so this whatever it was

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was really

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though on the UH and it flashed it's

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like three times it would look like it's

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headlights and that immediately I was

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thinking oh my god this the pilots in

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trouble he's going to crash land on the

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highway and as I approach my exit at the

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harem and exit for route 17 it turned

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right in front of me came right across

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in broad daylight

401
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it was totally black had no engines on

402
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its wings or fuselage had no windows on

403
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it had no insignia and it took about

404
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five seconds to cross the road at only

405
00:21:18,850 --> 00:21:16,340
about 300 feet altitude less and when I

406
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went through the took the exit and on my

407
00:21:23,710 --> 00:21:21,620
way home it crossed in front of me three

408
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more times back and forth and back and

409
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forth and I I honestly didn't know what

410
00:21:30,340 --> 00:21:28,550
to think about it I thought that the

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pilot was still looking for a place to

412
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crash land when I got home about 20

413
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minutes later I take my exit and I see

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this plane all lit up with navigation

415
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lights and headlights on and it it's

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00:21:49,180 --> 00:21:46,970
coming towards me and by the time I get

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to the bottom of the ramp for a

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stoplight I'm looking for seeing words

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00:21:58,570 --> 00:21:56,480
passing over me and the light turns and

420
00:22:02,140 --> 00:21:58,580
as I started going down to Lebanese

421
00:22:04,270 --> 00:22:02,150
towards my condo it comes out from over

422
00:22:06,430 --> 00:22:04,280
me it had come over me and stopped and

423
00:22:09,820 --> 00:22:06,440
waited with me for the lights to change

424
00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:09,830
and then I was able to file what most of

425
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the way all the way home at about 45

426
00:22:16,570 --> 00:22:14,930
miles an hour now anybody any pilot will

427
00:22:19,810 --> 00:22:16,580
tell you what no large commercial

428
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:19,820
aircraft can fly that slope at what's

429
00:22:25,420 --> 00:22:22,640
well below stalls me and when I got home

430
00:22:27,460 --> 00:22:25,430
I William yeah also to Bruce now people

431
00:22:29,860 --> 00:22:27,470
have said oh you people are all seeing

432
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:29,870
airplanes but an airplane wouldn't

433
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:33,200
circle that low and for that long I mean

434
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:35,120
an airplane you know if you're flying

435
00:22:40,540 --> 00:22:36,770
over there on the way to the airport

436
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:40,550
especially a plane of that description

437
00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:43,730
they're not hanging around to create a

438
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:47,470
havoc over the the highway

439
00:22:52,289 --> 00:22:50,890
exactly and it also sounds like it was

440
00:22:54,930 --> 00:22:52,299
trying to get his attention

441
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:54,940
you know the liberally yeah you know

442
00:23:00,690 --> 00:22:58,240
trying to catch his attention I caught

443
00:23:03,690 --> 00:23:00,700
on camera after when I came back three

444
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:03,700
to two times circled over me and then

445
00:23:09,630 --> 00:23:06,490
another craft came and transformed in in

446
00:23:13,950 --> 00:23:09,640
the air right over me with a brilliant

447
00:23:16,020 --> 00:23:13,960
light and it declined versus the light

448
00:23:19,169 --> 00:23:16,030
dimmed and it was spiraling and other

449
00:23:21,539 --> 00:23:19,179
lights came on to its side and by the

450
00:23:24,090 --> 00:23:21,549
time it got above me it had the

451
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:24,100
configuration of a small single-engine

452
00:23:27,299 --> 00:23:24,850
plane

453
00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:27,309
alright I'm going to have to interrupt

454
00:23:31,289 --> 00:23:29,350
you here because we are unfortunately

455
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going to our bottom of the hour break so

456
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:32,980
when we come back we will continue our

457
00:23:45,970 --> 00:23:35,770
conversation about their - UFO sightings

458
00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:47,900
now that Jude's

459
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loading the bazaar with two of the most

460
00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:54,300
electrifying researchers in apparel your

461
00:24:01,940 --> 00:23:56,550
hosts Timothy Becca Lee

462
00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:01,950
Anton Swartz and welcome back to

463
00:24:06,860 --> 00:24:04,550
exploring the bazaar on term sports and

464
00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:06,870
tonight we're talking about the Pine

465
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:11,160
Bush UFO sightings and more and Tim if

466
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:12,690
it's okay with you let's let's go ahead

467
00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:14,940
and bring Harold into the conversation

468
00:24:23,770 --> 00:24:20,510
and Harold up in your intro in the first

469
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:23,780
part of the show I noted the two were a

470
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:26,970
newspaper journalists for a number of

471
00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:32,850
years and it's I love to see journalists

472
00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:36,840
actually involved in a UFO and interest

473
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:40,200
in UFOs and possibly knowledgeable about

474
00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:43,860
UFOs I've run into so many you know over

475
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:47,670
the years who have you know reported on

476
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:50,940
them but they have no idea what you know

477
00:24:54,380 --> 00:24:52,020
what they're talking about they have

478
00:24:55,910 --> 00:24:54,390
bilious you know no interest or

479
00:24:59,660 --> 00:24:55,920
knowledge and they just you know just

480
00:25:01,220 --> 00:24:59,670
kind of you know put on a if they're

481
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:01,230
doing a television you know report they

482
00:25:08,030 --> 00:25:04,400
put on x-files music and that's it so

483
00:25:12,050 --> 00:25:08,040
how did you get interested in the UFO

484
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,060
issue to begin with through my own

485
00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:14,640
experience as a child in coming up

486
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,120
Nordic Jersey has done also an amateur

487
00:25:24,260 --> 00:25:20,640
astronomer and a sort of an amateur

488
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:24,270
astronomy interest and activities back

489
00:25:30,340 --> 00:25:27,480
when I was 12 years old with a telescope

490
00:25:33,970 --> 00:25:30,350
and even an indoor planetarium school

491
00:25:37,490 --> 00:25:33,980
planetarium and it was my sightings with

492
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:37,500
back in the early to New Jersey in 1957

493
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:40,730
I was familiar very familiar with UFO

494
00:25:45,980 --> 00:25:43,050
phenomena soar the Washington DC

495
00:25:49,220 --> 00:25:45,990
sightings of 52 like it remember back

496
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,230
even as a child to the Katamon tell so I

497
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:50,640
always had an interest in that as well

498
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:52,130
as astronomy

499
00:25:59,770 --> 00:25:57,770
but it was in April of 1957 I was 13

500
00:26:03,789 --> 00:25:59,780
years old a time and I was using my

501
00:26:06,130 --> 00:26:03,799
telescope in my backyard and I looked up

502
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:06,140
in the sky and saw this light moving was

503
00:26:12,820 --> 00:26:09,289
a disc-shaped light wobbling back and

504
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:12,830
forth back and forth until it

505
00:26:20,190 --> 00:26:16,610
disappeared silently over our apartment

506
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:20,200
building and I said that could be a UFO

507
00:26:27,580 --> 00:26:25,010
two weeks later I was watching for the

508
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,590
looking at the skies the planets and the

509
00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:29,840
stars that I was earlier with at the

510
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:30,350
time

511
00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:32,570
suddenly a meteor streak which is not

512
00:26:39,310 --> 00:26:35,750
unusual but the meteor stopped cold

513
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:39,320
stopped and then made a 90-degree turn

514
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,320
and sped off to the west

515
00:26:49,270 --> 00:26:44,720
mmm no you know they don't normally do

516
00:26:52,299 --> 00:26:49,280
that no not meteors a very unusual

517
00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:52,309
amitabh it's just like Bruce Cornett who

518
00:26:58,180 --> 00:26:54,230
said when the premier scientific

519
00:27:00,370 --> 00:26:58,190
researchers and he knows what he's

520
00:27:02,529 --> 00:27:00,380
talking about and I know what I saw I

521
00:27:10,060 --> 00:27:02,539
couldn't identify it of course but it

522
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:10,070
was very strange so now from these

523
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:14,000
initial early experiences that that you

524
00:27:21,549 --> 00:27:17,840
had I mean if some uh did this become

525
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:21,559
you know like a lifelong preoccupation

526
00:27:28,029 --> 00:27:25,039
with you or was there some point as you

527
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:28,039
grew older you know became a result the

528
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:30,200
two are just like you know I gotta look

529
00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:33,110
into this more you know especially you

530
00:27:37,659 --> 00:27:35,240
know like I said you know before you

531
00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:37,669
know with your type of journalistic

532
00:27:44,350 --> 00:27:40,669
credentials I mean you know was it was

533
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,360
this something that that you could seize

534
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:45,919
upon and say you know I can make a

535
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:48,289
difference you know with you know with

536
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:51,440
with my knowledge so to speak yes

537
00:27:55,149 --> 00:27:53,090
because ever since I was six years old

538
00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:55,159
the interest in UFOs are all in the

539
00:27:58,299 --> 00:27:56,870
newspapers and there are the New York

540
00:28:00,730 --> 00:27:58,309
story ledger and the New York Daily News

541
00:28:04,570 --> 00:28:00,740
and is reading about that of course the

542
00:28:05,740 --> 00:28:04,580
TV programs all the fixated on the UFO

543
00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:05,750
sightings over Washington

544
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:09,950
DC in 1952 I 1952 I which led to the

545
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,510
largest press conference a Pentagon ever

546
00:28:16,540 --> 00:28:14,240
had me saw that I said worse news than

547
00:28:18,370 --> 00:28:16,550
everything so my interest I got my first

548
00:28:25,090 --> 00:28:18,380
a parents gave me my first view of Oh

549
00:28:27,370 --> 00:28:25,100
books in in 1955 and I continued at

550
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:27,380
communion buying for a few years for me

551
00:28:32,410 --> 00:28:29,690
and as I got into college I kept up with

552
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:32,420
the subject the sightings up at the

553
00:28:37,570 --> 00:28:34,490
reservoir in new jersey i can't forget

554
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:37,580
the name of right now i want at Waunakee

555
00:28:40,750 --> 00:28:38,450
reservoir

556
00:28:43,270 --> 00:28:40,760
well community broke down that's exactly

557
00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:43,280
yeah yeah I wrote an article I wrote an

558
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:46,360
article for fate magazine back in the

559
00:28:53,140 --> 00:28:50,090
1960s they they had all these security

560
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:53,150
guards that were watching these objects

561
00:28:59,410 --> 00:28:54,890
come over I'm pretty much a regular

562
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,420
basis and they were shooting raised down

563
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:01,760
at the frozen reservoir water and

564
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:04,730
burning burning holes are melting the

565
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:07,850
ice very very well-documented

566
00:29:16,420 --> 00:29:12,260
you know flood that lasted for quite a

567
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:16,430
while and it got a certain amount of

568
00:29:23,140 --> 00:29:20,960
publicity at the time in fact they had a

569
00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:23,150
town hall meeting just like they did in

570
00:29:27,190 --> 00:29:24,590
Brewster which will bring up a little

571
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:27,200
while where people you know the local

572
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:29,450
populace came because they demanded

573
00:29:35,230 --> 00:29:31,970
answers and of course nobody ever gets

574
00:29:37,420 --> 00:29:35,240
any answers I mean it never seems to be

575
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:37,430
forthcoming which I kind of understand

576
00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:40,010
because the UFO is a UFO and once it's

577
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,870
gone I mean you know like it's kind of

578
00:29:46,270 --> 00:29:44,000
hard to see inside the ship and see

579
00:29:47,770 --> 00:29:46,280
who's piling it once there you know

580
00:29:50,110 --> 00:29:47,780
they've got into the next county or

581
00:29:51,730 --> 00:29:50,120
something like that but there were some

582
00:29:54,130 --> 00:29:51,740
pretty interesting photographs that were

583
00:29:56,620 --> 00:29:54,140
taken around that period of time to

584
00:29:58,780 --> 00:29:56,630
Harold now some of them claims have been

585
00:30:00,400 --> 00:29:58,790
taken over the reservoir but they really

586
00:30:04,300 --> 00:30:00,410
weren't but they were still from that

587
00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:04,310
period of time but how did you hook up

588
00:30:11,410 --> 00:30:08,150
to a Brewster I mean that's not too far

589
00:30:14,970 --> 00:30:11,420
away I guess from you know Pine Bush as

590
00:30:19,090 --> 00:30:14,980
the UFO flies how did you get up

591
00:30:21,130 --> 00:30:19,100
involved in that well Bruce I

592
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:21,140
I know very well from those research

593
00:30:25,539 --> 00:30:23,090
excuse me and also the book silent

594
00:30:27,970 --> 00:30:25,549
invasion which is a fantastic book that

595
00:30:31,570 --> 00:30:27,980
came out that was published by Li min

596
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:31,580
back in 1992 and which I did review on

597
00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:36,770
anyway what really brought me go back to

598
00:30:40,750 --> 00:30:38,750
your earlier question what really

599
00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:40,760
brought me into this and let me forward

600
00:30:46,659 --> 00:30:45,020
to where I am and now and before was an

601
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:46,669
experience back in December fifth the

602
00:30:53,169 --> 00:30:50,450
night of December 5th 1972 I was living

603
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:53,179
on a house with other people in 40 acres

604
00:30:58,180 --> 00:30:55,850
of woods in West Orange New Jersey which

605
00:31:00,370 --> 00:30:58,190
happened once to be the property of New

606
00:31:03,399 --> 00:31:00,380
York State go to New York New Jersey

607
00:31:05,169 --> 00:31:03,409
Governor McClelland who was the Civil

608
00:31:07,570 --> 00:31:05,179
War general during the yeah for the

609
00:31:09,730 --> 00:31:07,580
Union Army anyway three o'clock in the

610
00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:09,740
morning I woke up and there was a blue

611
00:31:13,409 --> 00:31:10,940
light in the room

612
00:31:16,690 --> 00:31:13,419
I couldn't move his blue light outside

613
00:31:18,909 --> 00:31:16,700
very subtle but I could not move I could

614
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:18,919
move my eyes and everything and then I

615
00:31:23,230 --> 00:31:20,809
stepped out of it and then I especially

616
00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:23,240
ran to my window and pulled down the

617
00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:26,870
shade and fell into a deep deep sleep

618
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:31,100
and woke up twelve twelve o'clock in the

619
00:31:36,370 --> 00:31:33,710
morning the afternoon this going to work

620
00:31:39,490 --> 00:31:36,380
that day and had a worst headache I've

621
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:39,500
ever had in my life this would be

622
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:42,110
studied years later was they in 1988

623
00:31:47,770 --> 00:31:45,770
with a hypnotherapist is working with

624
00:31:51,399 --> 00:31:47,780
but Hawkins at the time dr. gene Monday

625
00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:51,409
he was connected with however are

626
00:31:59,020 --> 00:31:54,440
certainly yes sure sure yeah she passed

627
00:32:02,080 --> 00:31:59,030
away about almost 20 years ago but I had

628
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:02,090
sessions with her that's how I when I

629
00:32:09,090 --> 00:32:04,610
would get more active personally in the

630
00:32:12,370 --> 00:32:09,100
UFO movement was around 1988 when I

631
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,380
began having hypnosis but aeruginosa so

632
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:14,480
special session I said this is too

633
00:32:19,930 --> 00:32:18,110
typical I don't believe what I can't

634
00:32:21,340 --> 00:32:19,940
believe what I had was I described to

635
00:32:24,370 --> 00:32:21,350
you when I was picking out in the woods

636
00:32:27,130 --> 00:32:24,380
by these small beings there's a meadow

637
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:27,140
up out in the woods and I was floated up

638
00:32:33,049 --> 00:32:31,039
into a craft and around and

639
00:32:36,049 --> 00:32:33,059
they'll dance whatever to call and

640
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:36,059
approach me inside the craft and took me

641
00:32:43,699 --> 00:32:40,529
back so that was one of the genesis now

642
00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:43,709
in 1988 I said I want to see these

643
00:32:49,459 --> 00:32:46,919
beings for myself for real for real with

644
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,469
my own eyes that time I was working for

645
00:32:54,829 --> 00:32:52,080
the peace organization and writing a

646
00:32:58,430 --> 00:32:54,839
weekly column called peace talk in a

647
00:33:00,649 --> 00:32:58,440
local Brooklyn newspaper anyway a friend

648
00:33:05,239 --> 00:33:00,659
and I decided to go to Brewster it was

649
00:33:06,949 --> 00:33:05,249
August 14th 1988 because we knew there

650
00:33:09,229 --> 00:33:06,959
were UFO sightings up there and Brewster

651
00:33:11,959 --> 00:33:09,239
protocol reservoirs I didn't know about

652
00:33:14,479 --> 00:33:11,969
the Stone chambers then and we stood out

653
00:33:15,889 --> 00:33:14,489
there around midnight and my friend

654
00:33:18,709 --> 00:33:15,899
walked to the side she was a psychic

655
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:18,719
trying to give the vibes out but I

656
00:33:25,489 --> 00:33:20,609
looked at towards the groats and full

657
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:25,499
reservoir and I saw a head his Begley's

658
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,769
large heads and green glowing slanted

659
00:33:35,139 --> 00:33:31,440
eyes each of the five heads looking

660
00:33:38,180 --> 00:33:35,149
directly at me I would say about a

661
00:33:38,779 --> 00:33:38,190
hundred feet out we are I couldn't hear

662
00:33:43,969 --> 00:33:38,789
ya

663
00:33:46,129 --> 00:33:43,979
we fry no no no because I'm soaking over

664
00:33:48,259 --> 00:33:46,139
the subject I know about the abductions

665
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:48,269
of people coming back from New York one

666
00:33:53,539 --> 00:33:50,700
night from Metro North Station being

667
00:33:56,419 --> 00:33:53,549
seeing that fellow who was abducted the

668
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,429
year before in 1987 that fell and broke

669
00:34:01,039 --> 00:33:58,320
Joe wrote about in one of his books

670
00:34:03,859 --> 00:34:01,049
I was not frightened but my friend who

671
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:03,869
is not a UFO experiencer but a psychic

672
00:34:09,309 --> 00:34:07,529
was very she said oh my god when you saw

673
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:09,319
them and as were very frightened and

674
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:12,119
decided well at the same time this was

675
00:34:16,789 --> 00:34:14,520
happening there was a black dog down the

676
00:34:19,819 --> 00:34:16,799
road we could see it coming towards us

677
00:34:23,269 --> 00:34:19,829
barking very very loudly that frightened

678
00:34:26,419 --> 00:34:23,279
us very much dog so we hustled into the

679
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:26,429
car her car and stayed there she fell

680
00:34:31,460 --> 00:34:29,399
asleep I stayed awake I looked at the

681
00:34:32,569 --> 00:34:31,470
side of the road because until small

682
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:32,579
glowing eyes

683
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:35,460
so I said they were all creating in a

684
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:38,089
row one after the other small creatures

685
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:39,419
that's it

686
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:42,089
look at that I couldn't mean it was

687
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:44,339
still awake so look at the bright

688
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:47,450
going by bus across the side of the road

689
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:51,359
when I told this to dr. gene Monday a

690
00:35:00,499 --> 00:34:54,210
week later she said those were no

691
00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:00,509
raccoons so okay yeah yeah so that got

692
00:35:09,049 --> 00:35:04,440
me involved that was my first feet five

693
00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:09,059
now what was the the the length of that

694
00:35:14,509 --> 00:35:10,940
experience I mean how long did this

695
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:14,519
pursue ever there for an hour we we went

696
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:16,650
out with anything after that she was

697
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:19,049
sleeping I was just watching seeing if

698
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:21,890
anything approached but I think they

699
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:25,200
kind of respected the situation this is

700
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:27,650
my take on it that they respected the

701
00:35:34,819 --> 00:35:33,180
the psychics fears and something could

702
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:34,829
have happened I don't know I just set

703
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:37,529
there in wonders that this is real act

704
00:35:43,339 --> 00:35:39,450
actually saw them for myself not through

705
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:43,349
hypnosis or reading about them there

706
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:47,729
they were apply to them so uh yeah now

707
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:50,670
I'm interested did your did your friend

708
00:35:55,759 --> 00:35:52,529
come away from this experience with any

709
00:35:58,849 --> 00:35:55,769
kind of psychic impressions on what you

710
00:36:01,339 --> 00:35:58,859
were dealing with well prior to the

711
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:01,349
experience she was convinced I was

712
00:36:06,349 --> 00:36:04,440
directly connected with these beings so

713
00:36:09,319 --> 00:36:06,359
she put out like week or so before she

714
00:36:13,819 --> 00:36:09,329
put out her thoughts let's have a

715
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:13,829
meeting I did the same thing we were

716
00:36:21,969 --> 00:36:18,359
given separately impressions of August

717
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:21,979
11th to August 14th very specific timing

718
00:36:26,989 --> 00:36:24,630
couldn't do it on on August 11th at a

719
00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:26,999
meeting to go to that evening so we went

720
00:36:34,339 --> 00:36:30,420
up to up to stay with a one of the

721
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,349
publishers of excuse me one of the

722
00:36:39,229 --> 00:36:37,680
editors of Isaac Asimov books and we

723
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:39,239
stayed with him one night and the first

724
00:36:43,700 --> 00:36:41,400
night we went out I was scared but

725
00:36:46,819 --> 00:36:43,710
anyway that was the afterword is kind of

726
00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:46,829
like a setup like we put out the vibes

727
00:36:52,729 --> 00:36:49,710
we got a response even a date and of

728
00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:52,739
course Brewster and how that works

729
00:36:58,340 --> 00:36:56,460
telepathically or what I'd probably it

730
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:58,350
was kind of a all arranged for your

731
00:37:03,110 --> 00:37:01,260
rings what will you know will you know

732
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:03,120
also Harold the question but you

733
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:05,400
mentioned Brewster there had been quite

734
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:07,380
a bit of activity up around there and in

735
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:10,050
fact what 1984-85

736
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:12,990
they had that town-hall meeting would

737
00:37:19,220 --> 00:37:16,920
die - yeah shot by Lionel and I guess

738
00:37:22,430 --> 00:37:19,230
you must know I guess you must know a a

739
00:37:24,350 --> 00:37:22,440
mark Brinkerhoff yes I know more mark

740
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,360
the good friend of mine oh yes in fact

741
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,880
he's also in this a book we did UFO

742
00:37:32,420 --> 00:37:29,040
repeaters because he took some

743
00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:32,430
absolutely fabulous of photographs I

744
00:37:37,550 --> 00:37:33,960
mean that certainly can't be easily

745
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:37,560
identified up and around a Brewster in

746
00:37:43,610 --> 00:37:40,260
fact one of my favorites shows the what

747
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:43,620
appears to be a lit up port window on

748
00:37:48,610 --> 00:37:45,690
the side of the craft and you can see

749
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:48,620
what appears to be a silhouette of

750
00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:51,570
something or someone or some being

751
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,070
inside the craft I'm sure you're

752
00:37:58,340 --> 00:37:56,160
probably familiar with that nitro is

753
00:38:02,570 --> 00:37:58,350
void but published an article about him

754
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:02,580
back around 1979 so the article okay

755
00:38:06,830 --> 00:38:04,770
anyway I didn't mean it erupted but I

756
00:38:09,110 --> 00:38:06,840
did want to bring that up do you go

757
00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:09,120
ahead go ahead tell us more yeah for

758
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:12,390
1989 we Street Reform Communion support

759
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,780
groups across the country and I went to

760
00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:18,480
the first meeting which I arranged some

761
00:38:23,330 --> 00:38:20,460
friend of the bookstore a new-age

762
00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:23,340
bookstore and we had a second meeting at

763
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:26,430
a sound studio later in that month and I

764
00:38:28,450 --> 00:38:27,690
met some people who want to stay in

765
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:28,460
touch with it

766
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:34,320
so we folded the groups in 1990 dr. gene

767
00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:38,220
Monday started encourage me in 1991 to

768
00:38:43,460 --> 00:38:41,700
form my own group because I'm used to

769
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:43,470
forming an organizer I'm going to bed

770
00:38:47,810 --> 00:38:44,940
plan or two because we've done that so

771
00:38:50,890 --> 00:38:47,820
many times and I was a little reluctant

772
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:50,900
at first but you encouraged me so in

773
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:55,740
February of 1992 I decided to find found

774
00:39:03,790 --> 00:39:01,040
a new support group called the church

775
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:03,800
project for aspects of close encounters

776
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:06,570
which comes out to space of all the

777
00:39:12,210 --> 00:39:08,940
letters and that search project aspects

778
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:12,220
of close encounters we read it

779
00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:14,820
the room lacks I was given free by a

780
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:18,070
healer you might have known well-known

781
00:39:23,339 --> 00:39:21,010
healers at Coleman and we had a very

782
00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:23,349
first meeting well I put out a notice to

783
00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:27,550
people someone who is secretary to the

784
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,380
deceiver support group had names of

785
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,359
people who were in the support group he

786
00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:34,240
called every one year some people came

787
00:39:38,609 --> 00:39:36,460
from that we had some people were bought

788
00:39:40,740 --> 00:39:38,619
Hoskins group some people doctrine

789
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:40,750
Monday was group so we had a first

790
00:39:46,349 --> 00:39:43,570
meeting on March 25th and you still and

791
00:39:48,810 --> 00:39:46,359
you still had the meetings right well we

792
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:48,820
kept the meetings going for once a month

793
00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:56,220
until the late early 21st century plus

794
00:40:00,180 --> 00:39:58,510
another smaller meetings because

795
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:00,190
sometimes things happen so baskets for

796
00:40:06,030 --> 00:40:02,770
meetings they were monthly we published

797
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:06,040
a a newsletter for people who want the

798
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:08,650
newsletter for own people to called the

799
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:10,450
space newsletter liberty later became a

800
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:12,910
space explorer that was a monthly print

801
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:17,200
edition which went on to year 2000 until

802
00:40:24,300 --> 00:40:20,830
we went online with it so with webby

803
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:24,310
reservation you and I are the last you

804
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:26,530
and I would allow us to use web TV I say

805
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:29,680
Carol yeah when we were that's right a

806
00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:32,290
member that used it too yeah yeah yeah I

807
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:37,150
got but anyway yeah so the other sort of

808
00:40:41,339 --> 00:40:39,849
meetings but we had one time any time we

809
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:41,349
had a guest we had guest read but

810
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:43,450
Hawkins twice you had dr. John Mack

811
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,510
appear once this is these are closed

812
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:48,640
meetings of course protect the privacy

813
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,770
of the people there that people were

814
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:53,440
coming in the group were interviewed by

815
00:40:59,609 --> 00:40:56,530
me before and maybe somebody else before

816
00:41:02,240 --> 00:40:59,619
they came in the group hypnosis was not

817
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:02,250
required just listening to them and

818
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:05,140
identifying and backing and left when

819
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:06,310
they mentioned something old I

820
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:08,410
experienced this myself or I know

821
00:41:13,020 --> 00:41:10,570
somebody who experienced it that's how

822
00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:13,030
the people came into the group and the

823
00:41:20,609 --> 00:41:16,510
group itself had no specific focus like

824
00:41:24,359 --> 00:41:20,619
positive or negative but the whole range

825
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:24,369
including the middle of people who

826
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:27,490
we have had this experience so the group

827
00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:29,710
was like that for that's basically what

828
00:41:36,499 --> 00:41:31,990
the group was but the other big aspect

829
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:36,509
of or other group with space way teams

830
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:38,650
people who were going to go up to

831
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,190
Brewster and at nighttime late at night

832
00:41:45,390 --> 00:41:44,079
we stopped at Bob Stein you're a very

833
00:41:48,299 --> 00:41:45,400
famous photographer when we went out

834
00:41:50,339 --> 00:41:48,309
around midnight and we observed

835
00:41:54,989 --> 00:41:50,349
I'd say about two-thirds of time these

836
00:41:58,049 --> 00:41:54,999
nocturnal lights in the skies and they

837
00:41:59,940 --> 00:41:58,059
would sometimes make on or make heavy

838
00:42:02,359 --> 00:41:59,950
right turns or reverse course and

839
00:42:05,759 --> 00:42:02,369
everything just like was subscribed by a

840
00:42:07,769 --> 00:42:05,769
by Henry Luce back in nineteen nineteen

841
00:42:10,829 --> 00:42:07,779
sixty-six another people including a

842
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:10,839
felon drove down but the big time came

843
00:42:21,029 --> 00:42:18,910
in Memorial Day weekend 1992 Europe

844
00:42:23,999 --> 00:42:21,039
Europe on a Memorial Day weekend a group

845
00:42:25,650 --> 00:42:24,009
of 14 people everybody experiences it

846
00:42:27,089 --> 00:42:25,660
except for one I began seeing his

847
00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:27,099
nocturnal lights moving somebody

848
00:42:32,539 --> 00:42:29,140
suggested we put out to them whoever

849
00:42:36,539 --> 00:42:32,549
they are could they form a triangular

850
00:42:39,539 --> 00:42:36,549
information in the sky right after we

851
00:42:41,220 --> 00:42:39,549
thought that and said that out of the

852
00:42:44,249 --> 00:42:41,230
west south north

853
00:42:47,970 --> 00:42:44,259
excuse me south west guy came three of

854
00:42:51,450 --> 00:42:47,980
these flights in single file over the

855
00:42:54,420 --> 00:42:51,460
West sky portion the sky high up the

856
00:42:57,839 --> 00:42:54,430
each formed a perfect delight formed a

857
00:43:00,390 --> 00:42:57,849
perfect triangle made head kept the

858
00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:00,400
formation for like a few minutes then

859
00:43:06,839 --> 00:43:04,329
they zoomed off one by one we were

860
00:43:09,390 --> 00:43:06,849
ecstatic to have that experience so we

861
00:43:12,269 --> 00:43:09,400
knew they were aware of us obviously and

862
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:12,279
we knew they were willing to respond to

863
00:43:17,779 --> 00:43:14,970
us as experiences

864
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,789
some of these experiences had had

865
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:19,839
negative and promised a positive

866
00:43:26,339 --> 00:43:24,130
experience as a they R up to it now who

867
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:26,349
would you did you ever get an inkling I

868
00:43:32,069 --> 00:43:28,210
mean with their telepathic messages that

869
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:32,079
were passed on to you I mean did you get

870
00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:34,510
an inkling who these

871
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:37,630
oh well I can't even say people now my

872
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:39,850
feeling is there more of a kind of a raw

873
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:42,130
intelligence than people setting behind

874
00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:44,380
some control there but what is your

875
00:43:48,330 --> 00:43:46,300
feeling on this I mean do you think that

876
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,340
the obviously they're intelligent and

877
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:51,359
they seem to be operating some sort of

878
00:43:56,490 --> 00:43:53,740
manifestation whether it's a physical

879
00:43:58,170 --> 00:43:56,500
being a craft from another planet or or

880
00:44:00,720 --> 00:43:58,180
something a little bit weirder than that

881
00:44:03,390 --> 00:44:00,730
we I mean I don't know you know I mean I

882
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:03,400
as long as I've studied this over the

883
00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:05,260
years my opinions have change from time

884
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:07,720
to time and they are subject to change

885
00:44:12,140 --> 00:44:10,630
at any moment and I'm proud to admit

886
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:12,150
that I mean because this is a

887
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:15,010
fluctuating subject but it would be have

888
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:17,320
you ever gotten any feeling who this is

889
00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:19,330
I mean is it one group that's following

890
00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:22,390
you or I'm sending the hard they it's

891
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:24,580
really hard to say so complex and subtle

892
00:44:30,180 --> 00:44:28,020
and complicated I can't say for sure

893
00:44:31,770 --> 00:44:30,190
remain open-minded and this whole

894
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:31,780
subject I know exactly what you're

895
00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:33,910
talking about but we had entity

896
00:44:39,140 --> 00:44:35,950
sightings up there either

897
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:39,150
in the group had entity sightings and

898
00:44:44,099 --> 00:44:41,290
one night we were up there with a

899
00:44:46,530 --> 00:44:44,109
psychologist dr. Howard Shatner from

900
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:46,540
Canada after he did a workshop on

901
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:51,910
contact and we felt something going on

902
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:54,880
but you imagine being sprinkled with

903
00:45:02,460 --> 00:44:58,480
fairy dust and the the air the air

904
00:45:04,380 --> 00:45:02,470
around sparkling with that and feeling

905
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:04,390
like you're in another world another

906
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:06,910
reality even though we're in on magnetic

907
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:08,890
mine Road as it's called and Brewster

908
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:11,710
and five of us proceeded to where this

909
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:15,520
tree was a big tree and we felt

910
00:45:19,859 --> 00:45:17,290
something when somebody goes there

911
00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:19,869
whatever it is somebody was there then

912
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:22,270
we were being drawn closer and closer

913
00:45:27,810 --> 00:45:25,090
we were like waving like grab gravity

914
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:27,820
ways and how I think of it now and two

915
00:45:33,810 --> 00:45:31,030
of us telepathically communicate it with

916
00:45:36,990 --> 00:45:33,820
the the being we didn't see it yet got

917
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:37,000
the effects so it suggests that why

918
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:39,280
don't you try to make yourself visible

919
00:45:46,020 --> 00:45:42,880
and put your hand out grab again put out

920
00:45:48,490 --> 00:45:46,030
your hand two of us soil the entity so

921
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:48,500
small entity like what the Schreiber

922
00:45:54,990 --> 00:45:52,640
describes and we saw the entity doing

923
00:45:58,180 --> 00:45:55,000
just that

924
00:46:01,390 --> 00:45:58,190
now that was among many we've seen the

925
00:46:04,210 --> 00:46:01,400
shadow people up there other people have

926
00:46:10,089 --> 00:46:04,220
gone up independently one person went up

927
00:46:13,900 --> 00:46:10,099
and saw a credit robed figure with the

928
00:46:16,059 --> 00:46:13,910
head looked like a head of an owl I and

929
00:46:18,099 --> 00:46:16,069
others have seen the shadow figures

930
00:46:22,030 --> 00:46:18,109
they're humanoid forms

931
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:22,040
I saw one running above the road like

932
00:46:26,290 --> 00:46:23,930
that lower magnetic mine road is the

933
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:26,300
road one of the roads is called and leap

934
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:30,290
into the woods two two of us saw them

935
00:46:36,099 --> 00:46:32,210
when people were doing a meditation

936
00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:36,109
this is 1993 two of these shadow beings

937
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:39,020
when standing up one crouched looking at

938
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:43,520
what we were doing so this is very very

939
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:45,650
intense and I forgot to mention some

940
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:48,319
very very important how this all started

941
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:52,130
when I saw the beings again in 1991 a

942
00:46:59,819 --> 00:46:54,650
year be almost a year before found at

943
00:47:02,980 --> 00:46:59,829
the base group two people in space from

944
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:02,990
who would later be from space and a

945
00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:06,400
friend of mine we drove up to Brewster

946
00:47:13,059 --> 00:47:10,609
hopefully for something to happen the

947
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:13,069
one woman was afraid so she got the car

948
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:15,530
with the car driver I and another fellow

949
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:18,290
stood outside and we began flying again

950
00:47:24,130 --> 00:47:21,290
these shadows he figures forming within

951
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:24,140
look at the outline of you of a very

952
00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:27,050
subtle so the typical UFO flying saucer

953
00:47:32,260 --> 00:47:30,500
like the scoutship Harold and me Harold

954
00:47:33,970 --> 00:47:32,270
Harold I'm gonna have to interrupt you

955
00:47:37,210 --> 00:47:33,980
here unfortunately because we are coming

956
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:37,220
up on our top of the hour break so when

957
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:38,630
we come back and we will continue our

958
00:47:43,660 --> 00:47:40,910
conversation about time Bush another

959
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:43,670
related to UFO sightings on exploring

960
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:44,450
that this

961
00:48:02,190 --> 00:47:58,769
explore the bazaar your e-ticket ride is

962
00:48:05,579 --> 00:48:02,200
the world of the paranoid strap yourself

963
00:48:09,269 --> 00:48:05,589
in as we traverse the universe exploring

964
00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:09,279
the unexplained UFO ghost

965
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:13,630
lost world cryptozoology as well as

966
00:48:22,049 --> 00:48:17,410
other dimensions it's time to take back

967
00:48:25,289 --> 00:48:22,059
the next night now your electrifying

968
00:48:30,269 --> 00:48:25,299
hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

969
00:48:32,190 --> 00:48:30,279
Begley and Tim Schwartz and welcome back

970
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:32,200
to the second hour of exploring the

971
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:35,049
bizarre and for those of you who are

972
00:48:41,789 --> 00:48:38,650
interested excuse me got a UFO matter 30

973
00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:41,799
tip if you're interested in what

974
00:48:48,510 --> 00:48:45,220
holiness with your questions you know

975
00:48:50,660 --> 00:48:48,520
you can call us in the the normal

976
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:50,670
old-fashioned way I suppose anymore at

977
00:48:57,779 --> 00:48:53,680
seven oh two four two five nine two

978
00:49:01,680 --> 00:48:57,789
three zero and I'll say that again seven

979
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:01,690
oh two four two five nine two three zero

980
00:49:10,170 --> 00:49:05,440
and you can also Skype us at KC Oh our

981
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:10,180
radio that's Casey who our radio our ad

982
00:49:14,370 --> 00:49:12,490
IO we want to hear from you so if you

983
00:49:17,460 --> 00:49:14,380
have any questions or experiences of

984
00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:17,470
your own then please let us know all

985
00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:20,200
right Tim let's why don't we bring dr.

986
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:23,020
Cornett back into the conversation yeah

987
00:49:29,069 --> 00:49:26,170
I am well okay so yeah how what was the

988
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,079
year now you moved it from this area

989
00:49:36,990 --> 00:49:32,160
what year did you move back to Texas

990
00:49:38,370 --> 00:49:37,000
first I moved to Las Vegas I got a job

991
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:38,380
with the National Institute for

992
00:49:43,319 --> 00:49:40,390
discovery science as a deputy

993
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:43,329
administrator there working under dr.

994
00:49:50,130 --> 00:49:46,690
Colm Kelleher for Bigelow oh my goodness

995
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:50,140
yes so we were you out at the the

996
00:49:55,260 --> 00:49:53,650
skinwalker ranch no I never did get to

997
00:49:59,849 --> 00:49:55,270
go there but I learned a lot about it

998
00:50:02,609 --> 00:49:59,859
when I was there from home tour the big

999
00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:02,619
low was thinking about closing

1000
00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:06,460
down needs and turned out that I was his

1001
00:50:13,259 --> 00:50:08,440
Keller his last-ditch attempt to save

1002
00:50:16,349 --> 00:50:13,269
heads and in Bigelow decided to shut it

1003
00:50:19,890 --> 00:50:16,359
down after I had moved out there got

1004
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:19,900
myself established I get my pink slip no

1005
00:50:26,099 --> 00:50:23,049
goodness separately but yeah fortunately

1006
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:26,109
I had met a wonderful woman

1007
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:30,160
who invited me to come live with her in

1008
00:50:36,569 --> 00:50:33,249
El Paso that's how I got here El Paso

1009
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:36,579
what well now just to get back to

1010
00:50:42,089 --> 00:50:40,240
skinwalker for a minute or two here okay

1011
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:42,099
from what you learn do you think there

1012
00:50:47,549 --> 00:50:44,410
was a similarity between what was

1013
00:50:49,319 --> 00:50:47,559
happening there and what was going on

1014
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:49,329
and what you were involved with the back

1015
00:50:53,989 --> 00:50:52,480
in the East and Pine Bush yes very much

1016
00:50:56,849 --> 00:50:53,999
so

1017
00:50:58,859 --> 00:50:56,859
there's a lot of very uh interesting

1018
00:51:01,410 --> 00:50:58,869
paranormal stuff that was going on I've

1019
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:01,420
heard a lot of stories from the locals

1020
00:51:09,799 --> 00:51:06,130
at Pine Bush about the strange things

1021
00:51:13,410 --> 00:51:09,809
the timewarps that would happen and a

1022
00:51:15,749 --> 00:51:13,420
man wearing buckskin and a flintlock

1023
00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:15,759
rifle walked across the yard and

1024
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:19,660
disappeared into a portal and sometimes

1025
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:21,910
they even walk through their hypothesis

1026
00:51:27,779 --> 00:51:24,730
so if there's been a lot of paranormal

1027
00:51:31,769 --> 00:51:27,789
activity in Pine Bush and also at the

1028
00:51:33,059 --> 00:51:31,779
skinwalker ranch now did you did you you

1029
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,069
didn't have I was gonna say animal

1030
00:51:38,249 --> 00:51:35,680
mutilations but outside of a few sheep

1031
00:51:41,370 --> 00:51:38,259
Roe roaming around in near Pine Bush and

1032
00:51:44,370 --> 00:51:41,380
there wouldn't be any animal mutilations

1033
00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:44,380
associated with the sightings right no

1034
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:46,660
the the animal mutilations interesting

1035
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:49,089
enough I heard a talk in Phoenix Arizona

1036
00:51:56,460 --> 00:51:53,710
back in the late 90s about it being a

1037
00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:56,470
military operation to determine the

1038
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:00,119
effects of airborne radiation from the

1039
00:52:06,509 --> 00:52:03,450
atmospheric atomic test in Nevada and

1040
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:06,519
they are basically they couldn't go to

1041
00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:08,710
the landowners and say we need these

1042
00:52:12,749 --> 00:52:11,470
many cattle that have to spend so much

1043
00:52:15,059 --> 00:52:12,759
money then the word would be out and

1044
00:52:16,529 --> 00:52:15,069
they had to keep it completely secret so

1045
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,539
they disguised it as a you

1046
00:52:21,390 --> 00:52:18,400
a faux type stuff and that's basically

1047
00:52:23,939 --> 00:52:21,400
what is Linda Moulton Howe has been

1048
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:23,949
investigating she's come to the same

1049
00:52:29,759 --> 00:52:27,369
conclusions but there weren't any cattle

1050
00:52:33,299 --> 00:52:29,769
mutilations around the skinwalker ranch

1051
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:33,309
per se but I know there were some

1052
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:35,410
strange things that did go on with the

1053
00:52:41,849 --> 00:52:38,650
the animals and giant wolves and things

1054
00:52:46,829 --> 00:52:41,859
along that yes I was told about that the

1055
00:52:50,489 --> 00:52:46,839
one story I have is that the big Lowe's

1056
00:52:53,909 --> 00:52:50,499
research team was taking a break for

1057
00:52:56,459 --> 00:52:53,919
lunch they went into town and when they

1058
00:52:59,729 --> 00:52:56,469
came back all of the cattle that had

1059
00:53:02,880 --> 00:52:59,739
been in one of these Corral's were

1060
00:53:04,469 --> 00:53:02,890
missing and where were they gone and

1061
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:04,479
they just totally disappeared though the

1062
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:07,599
gates were still locked they didn't and

1063
00:53:12,749 --> 00:53:10,209
then somebody heard this banging coming

1064
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:12,759
from a boxcar that was used to the

1065
00:53:17,099 --> 00:53:15,130
storage shed for tools and they went

1066
00:53:18,989 --> 00:53:17,109
over and unlocked it and when they

1067
00:53:21,899 --> 00:53:18,999
opened up all the cattle had been

1068
00:53:24,059 --> 00:53:21,909
stuffed inside wow it's like the aliens

1069
00:53:26,189 --> 00:53:24,069
are working with Harry Houdini on the

1070
00:53:29,279 --> 00:53:26,199
other side or something right right well

1071
00:53:32,939 --> 00:53:29,289
that may be a trick trick you know even

1072
00:53:34,409 --> 00:53:32,949
Walker is will being trickster hmm.well

1073
00:53:35,909 --> 00:53:34,419
and it all you know it sounds an awful

1074
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:35,919
lot like you know poltergeist activity

1075
00:53:45,630 --> 00:53:43,499
all I can think of is these spirits

1076
00:53:48,409 --> 00:53:45,640
don't have anything to do except you

1077
00:53:51,809 --> 00:53:48,419
know getting a laugh out of our reaction

1078
00:53:54,539 --> 00:53:51,819
yeah whenever one our bit up in the Pine

1079
00:53:56,759 --> 00:53:54,549
Bush now Ellen you took all these

1080
00:53:58,319 --> 00:53:56,769
photographs I guess you took a couple of

1081
00:54:00,359 --> 00:53:58,329
them as well

1082
00:54:02,130 --> 00:54:00,369
how many how many images did you

1083
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:02,140
actually take I mean I know we have a

1084
00:54:08,579 --> 00:54:06,130
couple of I documented over 130 Close

1085
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:08,589
Encounters at least a hundred occurred

1086
00:54:15,390 --> 00:54:13,209
in the area I have I'm just about ready

1087
00:54:18,479 --> 00:54:15,400
to finish a book it's going to be a

1088
00:54:21,329 --> 00:54:18,489
total about 500 pages containing all of

1089
00:54:25,409 --> 00:54:21,339
my data all my photographs and images

1090
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:25,419
from videos for those all very carefully

1091
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:28,569
documented well now she talked about

1092
00:54:31,790 --> 00:54:29,730
though I mean

1093
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:31,800
you she took these photographs and you

1094
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:33,780
took some of them as well but she was

1095
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:35,730
convinced after a while that these were

1096
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:41,250
not the actual shapes of the the craft

1097
00:54:46,070 --> 00:54:44,040
themselves in fact under certain

1098
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:46,080
conditions she felt that she needed a

1099
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:49,260
different sorts of photographic

1100
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,010
equipment in order to get their correct

1101
00:54:57,470 --> 00:54:55,200
images because I know that she did have

1102
00:54:59,330 --> 00:54:57,480
some of these objects of these

1103
00:55:01,940 --> 00:54:59,340
photographs of these objects that she

1104
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:01,950
said actually showed kind of like a you

1105
00:55:08,540 --> 00:55:05,970
know an open port or a a ram coming down

1106
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:08,550
to the you know to a ground level and

1107
00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:10,680
that there were actual beings but

1108
00:55:15,530 --> 00:55:13,380
because of this discharge that was

1109
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:15,540
coming from the the object we could

1110
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:18,720
never see their true shape but did she

1111
00:55:26,510 --> 00:55:23,690
feel they were kind of insect like well

1112
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:26,520
you can't really make out very much on

1113
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:29,250
those photographs and since you didn't

1114
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:32,220
see them visually she had to rely on the

1115
00:55:37,610 --> 00:55:35,730
same images that we can look at and come

1116
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:37,620
to some conclusion and yes they could

1117
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,220
some of them could be insect like but

1118
00:55:47,780 --> 00:55:43,200
what is it the thing that's striking

1119
00:55:51,740 --> 00:55:47,790
about her data is that all of the very

1120
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:51,750
good photographs that she took that are

1121
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:55,200
in her book came in the first few months

1122
00:56:00,260 --> 00:55:57,420
that she was out there looking in others

1123
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:00,270
the best was given first almost like a

1124
00:56:06,620 --> 00:56:03,810
baited hook to keep her going and nobody

1125
00:56:10,310 --> 00:56:06,630
has ever gotten pictures quite like that

1126
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:10,320
close but not there are no cigar ever

1127
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:13,380
since those pictures of that craft on

1128
00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:18,570
the ground and and she's right that they

1129
00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:23,400
would be projecting images I have I've

1130
00:56:29,890 --> 00:56:26,550
gotten three holographs images that were

1131
00:56:37,820 --> 00:56:29,900
projected over fields and I sent them to

1132
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:37,830
Tim and one was that of a golden pyramid

1133
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:39,810
would light coming up through it

1134
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:42,480
another was other green temple we could

1135
00:56:44,930 --> 00:56:43,440
see this play

1136
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:44,940
Green's play of light coming from the

1137
00:56:52,550 --> 00:56:48,570
craft that was rejecting it and a third

1138
00:56:56,420 --> 00:56:52,560
was a holographic image of a binary

1139
00:57:00,800 --> 00:56:56,430
solar system complete with the planets

1140
00:57:05,420 --> 00:57:00,810
all in different colors and her son's a

1141
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:05,430
blue star companion and so all of these

1142
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:09,660
things I and others indicate that they

1143
00:57:16,750 --> 00:57:13,290
were projecting images of what they

1144
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:16,760
wanted us to see a friend of mine John

1145
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:19,770
the shooter jr. and I went out and we

1146
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:21,930
get an experiment and I have a web page

1147
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:24,210
that by that name called the experiment

1148
00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:28,260
in which we set our cameras up near Pine

1149
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:33,300
Bush and lo and behold just as Harold

1150
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:35,460
was saying you put our thoughts out

1151
00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:38,160
there and they respond well they

1152
00:57:43,730 --> 00:57:41,430
responded and we had two cameras I can't

1153
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:43,740
quote it on a tripod right next to a an

1154
00:57:49,250 --> 00:57:46,050
SLR on a tripod there were no more than

1155
00:57:52,850 --> 00:57:49,260
two feet apart and the lights that each

1156
00:57:55,850 --> 00:57:52,860
of us saw or our cameras captured on the

1157
00:58:01,160 --> 00:57:55,860
film but I've been with completely

1158
00:58:04,210 --> 00:58:01,170
different pictures so what we saw was

1159
00:58:08,420 --> 00:58:04,220
verified by what was on the film but

1160
00:58:10,940 --> 00:58:08,430
it's just two feet apart they were

1161
00:58:13,220 --> 00:58:10,950
projecting completely different images

1162
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:13,230
when I wore one of what what were the

1163
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:18,330
images I saw to a light coming down

1164
00:58:25,010 --> 00:58:19,770
through the clouds

1165
00:58:29,830 --> 00:58:25,020
well John saw a row of Lights with a one

1166
00:58:36,350 --> 00:58:32,840
then one of the lights that I was

1167
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:36,360
watching expanded brilliantly it became

1168
00:58:41,570 --> 00:58:38,610
like 10 times brighter and then getting

1169
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:41,580
back down well what is fascinating about

1170
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:44,810
the images when we analyzed the

1171
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:49,290
camcorder images is that when that one

1172
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:51,450
light expanded because we have a to

1173
00:58:57,370 --> 00:58:54,930
think in terms of timing that you can

1174
00:59:00,820 --> 00:58:57,380
bet you to start to see that light

1175
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:00,830
on the camcorder below the road lights

1176
00:59:08,590 --> 00:59:05,210
that he had captured on on that on the

1177
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:08,600
video and indicating that basically what

1178
00:59:14,670 --> 00:59:11,210
we had was like a projector in the sky

1179
00:59:17,140 --> 00:59:14,680
that was sending a very narrow beam

1180
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:17,150
polarized light to each of our cameras

1181
00:59:24,330 --> 00:59:20,690
and so that we would selectively see

1182
00:59:28,510 --> 00:59:24,340
only what they wanted each of us to see

1183
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:28,520
well what about the the manta ray types

1184
00:59:34,900 --> 00:59:30,650
of UFOs and how they had disguised

1185
00:59:39,250 --> 00:59:34,910
themselves yes I've seen many videos of

1186
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:39,260
the manta ray one time when I first had

1187
00:59:42,730 --> 00:59:40,310
an encounter with it

1188
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:42,740
I was on South Carroll Road taking

1189
00:59:48,250 --> 00:59:45,730
pictures and I saw this very low flying

1190
00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:48,260
Eric what I thought was an aircraft but

1191
00:59:53,710 --> 00:59:51,950
because it was so low I started taking

1192
00:59:56,670 --> 00:59:53,720
pictures of it and it was coming

1193
01:00:00,520 --> 00:59:56,680
straight towards me from the north and

1194
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:00,530
as it got closer and closer I ran out of

1195
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:04,970
film in my camera so I had to roll the

1196
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:07,010
film back pop the back of the camera and

1197
01:00:09,460 --> 01:00:09,050
run to my truck and get another roll of

1198
01:00:11,710 --> 01:00:09,470
film

1199
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:11,720
I was thinking by the time I can get

1200
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:14,810
that new roll of film threaded into the

1201
01:00:20,740 --> 01:00:17,690
camera the craft would already have

1202
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:20,750
flown over the top of me and and when I

1203
01:00:24,550 --> 01:00:22,850
got back I was looking for it in behind

1204
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:24,560
me and I didn't see it and I turned

1205
01:00:29,260 --> 01:00:26,810
around and there it was out over the

1206
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:29,270
field right where I last saw it stopped

1207
01:00:34,030 --> 01:00:32,210
and waited for me to change the film and

1208
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:34,040
then it flew directly over me and I saw

1209
01:00:41,050 --> 01:00:35,930
the whole shape of it and multicolored

1210
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:41,060
lights on no mice of it isn't that nice

1211
01:00:50,650 --> 01:00:44,330
I've also long one time I was driving

1212
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:50,660
down Albany post Lane and here comes

1213
01:00:56,620 --> 01:00:53,450
this jet liner right off on top of the

1214
01:00:59,080 --> 01:00:56,630
trees and it's traveling just a little

1215
01:01:02,650 --> 01:00:59,090
bit faster than I am it's pure white has

1216
01:01:05,410 --> 01:01:02,660
no windows on it no engines on it making

1217
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:05,420
a sound like a jet like a t-tail

1218
01:01:11,089 --> 01:01:09,910
jetliner and it just flew right past me

1219
01:01:16,519 --> 01:01:11,099
clearly

1220
01:01:18,739 --> 01:01:16,529
one of ours when I you know what was one

1221
01:01:20,749 --> 01:01:18,749
of the unique things I think with your

1222
01:01:23,269 --> 01:01:20,759
research there in Pine Bush is the

1223
01:01:27,049 --> 01:01:23,279
absolutely fabulous audio recordings

1224
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,059
that you have managed to capture I mean

1225
01:01:33,319 --> 01:01:29,839
I remember seeing some of the

1226
01:01:35,029 --> 01:01:33,329
interesting like frequency analysis of

1227
01:01:37,939 --> 01:01:35,039
these rewards what you are talking a

1228
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:37,949
little bit about that okay what I found

1229
01:01:42,259 --> 01:01:40,559
is that the sounds that they may produce

1230
01:01:44,949 --> 01:01:42,269
and many of them reduce different types

1231
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:44,959
of sounds they range everywhere from

1232
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:49,440
commercial jet like sounds to also it's

1233
01:01:54,979 --> 01:01:51,359
a weird sound

1234
01:01:56,839 --> 01:01:54,989
for example the man away I know it was a

1235
01:01:59,799 --> 01:01:56,849
man away because it flew directly only I

1236
01:02:03,319 --> 01:01:59,809
first spotted it about a mile away

1237
01:02:05,449 --> 01:02:03,329
traveling south down the valley and I

1238
01:02:06,949 --> 01:02:05,459
started taking time exposure after the

1239
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:06,959
first time exposure I moved my camera

1240
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:09,359
for the next one in it and and the

1241
01:02:13,249 --> 01:02:10,890
lights turned directly towards me and

1242
01:02:15,469 --> 01:02:13,259
started coming straight at me and as

1243
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:15,479
they are coming the the craft was

1244
01:02:20,930 --> 01:02:18,089
climbing and in altitude and it

1245
01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:20,940
brightened it appeared headlights to

1246
01:02:26,479 --> 01:02:24,420
about the brilliance of the moon and it

1247
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:26,489
was sneaking back and forth back and

1248
01:02:31,339 --> 01:02:28,319
forth and it was coming towards me and

1249
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:31,349
but within less than a thousand feet

1250
01:02:36,109 --> 01:02:34,140
from me I could start hearing a sound by

1251
01:02:39,049 --> 01:02:36,119
sighs Oh Turkey it was shouting like a

1252
01:02:40,999 --> 01:02:39,059
jet taking off from an airport but this

1253
01:02:44,259 --> 01:02:41,009
one was just fluttering at me straight

1254
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:44,269
and when it got up over on top of me it

1255
01:02:51,620 --> 01:02:47,249
throws my camera both my audio recorder

1256
01:02:54,380 --> 01:02:51,630
quarter and then it started descending

1257
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:54,390
behind me towards this Ridge that was

1258
01:02:59,749 --> 01:02:57,359
behind me and it released my camera so I

1259
01:03:03,680 --> 01:02:59,759
could start taking pictures again but

1260
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:03,690
the sound went from that of a jet engine

1261
01:03:14,089 --> 01:03:09,209
to that affinity dddddd the UFO sound

1262
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:14,099
you know and it dope behind the this

1263
01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:16,380
this low ridge only 200 feet above the

1264
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:18,150
valley floor and then came through a

1265
01:03:24,140 --> 01:03:21,140
pass through the south and went right

1266
01:03:24,849 --> 01:03:24,150
back to where it had been when it made

1267
01:03:26,589 --> 01:03:24,859
its turn to

1268
01:03:29,259 --> 01:03:26,599
towards me and continued its journey

1269
01:03:32,109 --> 01:03:29,269
down the valley I have a website out

1270
01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:32,119
that ok can tell what is a website that

1271
01:03:40,210 --> 01:03:36,950
people can see the Sun it's called the

1272
01:03:44,259 --> 01:03:40,220
snaking Manta if you go to my websites I

1273
01:03:46,089 --> 01:03:44,269
gave you some URLs to get get into the

1274
01:03:48,999 --> 01:03:46,099
front pages and then get a whole list of

1275
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:49,009
the different web pages that are without

1276
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:54,170
documented data well why why Pine Bush I

1277
01:04:00,700 --> 01:03:56,690
mean why did they why would they pick or

1278
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:00,710
have they picked this particular area I

1279
01:04:07,180 --> 01:04:05,119
mean it's obviously secluded he now I

1280
01:04:10,059 --> 01:04:07,190
thought that time Bush stood out from

1281
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,069
everything else worked by machine on

1282
01:04:14,890 --> 01:04:12,880
Teodor Annie from Italy who was the

1283
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:14,900
astrophysicist who got involved in all

1284
01:04:20,259 --> 01:04:17,690
of this got a hold of North Market and

1285
01:04:23,049 --> 01:04:20,269
MUFON data and put together some

1286
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:23,059
incredible papers on all the

1287
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:25,039
distribution of sightings across New

1288
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:28,880
York State and Pine Bush doesn't stand

1289
01:04:33,970 --> 01:04:31,039
out compared to all of the sightings and

1290
01:04:35,950 --> 01:04:33,980
I think Linda and Zimmerman is pointing

1291
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:35,960
this out too that people have been

1292
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:39,410
seeing these craft everywhere around the

1293
01:04:44,229 --> 01:04:42,079
state yeah we just had the Sheryl Costa

1294
01:04:46,779 --> 01:04:44,239
on the program a couple of weeks ago who

1295
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:46,789
of course just she has a statistical

1296
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:49,130
report out and actually even got a very

1297
01:04:54,180 --> 01:04:50,720
nice write-up in the New York Times

1298
01:04:58,140 --> 01:04:54,190
which is something we very seldom see

1299
01:05:02,319 --> 01:04:58,150
from the from a regular you know a

1300
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:02,329
newspaper but also tube will now Harold

1301
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:05,210
I think you started telling us before is

1302
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:06,559
there a connection with these stone

1303
01:05:15,509 --> 01:05:09,200
chambers that have been found up in that

1304
01:05:19,539 --> 01:05:15,519
area of New England yes very definitely

1305
01:05:23,229 --> 01:05:19,549
the entities I saw that I described

1306
01:05:25,989 --> 01:05:23,239
before the break what began to appear as

1307
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:25,999
hooded figures they had the hoods the

1308
01:05:32,890 --> 01:05:28,960
robes they're moving in single-file

1309
01:05:37,210 --> 01:05:32,900
towards where the the old stone chamber

1310
01:05:38,450 --> 01:05:37,220
oldest known stone chamber is up upper

1311
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:38,460
magnetic Rider

1312
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:42,930
Road in Brewster and they appeared just

1313
01:05:50,060 --> 01:05:46,650
like the the ones that been described by

1314
01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:50,070
the chambers by various people and when

1315
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:52,980
I saw them they actually started

1316
01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:55,050
floating through the trees and across

1317
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:57,960
from us was a outcropping of rock near

1318
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:00,720
the stone chamber and they merged they

1319
01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:03,930
went right through the rock so and then

1320
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:07,980
they came out after units but it if you

1321
01:06:13,339 --> 01:06:09,930
like to see a mission right Williams

1322
01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:13,349
took of two of these beings coming out

1323
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:16,440
from a rock outcrop that I have I can

1324
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:18,000
send it to you and see if these would

1325
01:06:24,130 --> 01:06:21,510
look anything like what you see this is

1326
01:06:26,359 --> 01:06:24,140
amazing that is a photograph of that

1327
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:26,369
yeah I'm ready to air that thank you

1328
01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:29,609
and so these beings give you so he

1329
01:06:36,770 --> 01:06:32,400
didn't seem for a long time in the area

1330
01:06:38,859 --> 01:06:36,780
and with me they came out and he stood

1331
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:38,869
across the street and I approached them

1332
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,369
the guy would need to no way I

1333
01:06:48,050 --> 01:06:43,680
approached them when I got close to them

1334
01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:48,060
I I got a feeling of the wall in front

1335
01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:51,510
of me that had any all the emotion from

1336
01:06:58,460 --> 01:06:56,280
fear to joy I decided that when Scott me

1337
01:07:00,109 --> 01:06:58,470
it was invisible walls I described it

1338
01:07:02,270 --> 01:07:00,119
and I went to them and I couldn't see

1339
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:02,280
them standing right by to make a deal

1340
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,089
electrical type energy and fellow

1341
01:07:10,849 --> 01:07:08,640
standing across the street so I'm still

1342
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:10,859
standing he sees these hooded robed

1343
01:07:19,849 --> 01:07:15,200
figures I didn't see them and and

1344
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:19,859
briefly I saw one of them not met forum

1345
01:07:25,870 --> 01:07:23,609
but in a typical so-called gray or I'm

1346
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:25,880
standing right next to me very briefly

1347
01:07:30,770 --> 01:07:28,650
so but he saw them putting so they're

1348
01:07:32,359 --> 01:07:30,780
death very definitely associated to

1349
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:32,369
Stone chambers I've interviewed people

1350
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:36,240
myself up there about them and so there

1351
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:38,250
is a connection a longtime connection

1352
01:07:44,180 --> 01:07:40,410
because he didn't secret decades have

1353
01:07:46,339 --> 01:07:44,190
got per day that I can take him I could

1354
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:46,349
take this connection back hundreds of

1355
01:07:50,609 --> 01:07:48,930
millions of years okay I just sent with

1356
01:07:53,699 --> 01:07:50,619
it

1357
01:07:56,939 --> 01:07:53,709
what if you go to Silas files number

1358
01:07:58,920 --> 01:07:56,949
five in January this year is a report on

1359
01:08:03,569 --> 01:07:58,930
that I have a report on one of my

1360
01:08:06,449 --> 01:08:03,579
websites on the huge alien probe that I

1361
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:06,459
discovered underneath the Jewish

1362
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:08,140
cemetery where all of those sightings

1363
01:08:13,949 --> 01:08:10,569
have been taking place that Ellen

1364
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:13,959
Crystal describes and the History

1365
01:08:19,169 --> 01:08:15,609
Channel came out and the u.s. under

1366
01:08:21,059 --> 01:08:19,179
hunters did a magnetic survey there and

1367
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:21,069
they confirm the magnetic survey I had

1368
01:08:25,859 --> 01:08:22,900
done earlier and they'll give

1369
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:25,869
ground-penetrating radar imagery and we

1370
01:08:33,149 --> 01:08:29,710
had imaged it below ground and this this

1371
01:08:35,249 --> 01:08:33,159
triangle triangular craft is capable in

1372
01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:35,259
sending signals out into space which I

1373
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:38,500
measured with my magnetometer every time

1374
01:08:47,549 --> 01:08:42,329
the constellation Bootes is overhead and

1375
01:08:49,859 --> 01:08:47,559
this is extraordinary because the all

1376
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:49,869
sorts of paranormal activity has been

1377
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:53,770
seeing snow melts on top of it you can

1378
01:09:00,660 --> 01:08:58,239
feel vibrations on the insects around

1379
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:00,670
there are three magnetic beams that are

1380
01:09:04,890 --> 01:09:02,650
coming out of the ground at the corners

1381
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:04,900
of the triangles now this is not a small

1382
01:09:11,609 --> 01:09:09,250
object this object I was able to map as

1383
01:09:15,089 --> 01:09:11,619
five hundred and sixty-five feet on the

1384
01:09:17,789 --> 01:09:15,099
side this is an enormous triangle that's

1385
01:09:21,450 --> 01:09:17,799
well over 20 feet thick and it landed on

1386
01:09:25,890 --> 01:09:21,460
an ancient Island over 400 million years

1387
01:09:29,149 --> 01:09:25,900
ago and the the island sank the the

1388
01:09:32,189 --> 01:09:29,159
island and the craft became encased in

1389
01:09:35,249 --> 01:09:32,199
marine muds that would later turn to

1390
01:09:37,620 --> 01:09:35,259
rocks and now due to erosion and uplift

1391
01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:37,630
it is only within nine feet of the

1392
01:09:41,579 --> 01:09:40,630
surface and it's very much active it's

1393
01:09:43,379 --> 01:09:41,589
radioactive

1394
01:09:46,769 --> 01:09:43,389
parts of it so we know it's

1395
01:09:49,260 --> 01:09:46,779
nuclear-powered and and I was able to

1396
01:09:52,109 --> 01:09:49,270
detect with my magnetic survey I did a

1397
01:09:55,129 --> 01:09:52,119
24 square mile magnetic survey took me

1398
01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:55,139
three years to do and I found other

1399
01:10:01,140 --> 01:09:58,090
locations in the valley where beams are

1400
01:10:02,919 --> 01:10:01,150
coming out of the ground now think of it

1401
01:10:05,950 --> 01:10:02,929
this way

1402
01:10:09,610 --> 01:10:05,960
these ancient probes are signaling out

1403
01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:09,620
into space and don't you think that this

1404
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:12,260
could be a calling card for eg hey

1405
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,730
what's going on there where is this

1406
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:15,440
signal coming from when they come down

1407
01:10:22,090 --> 01:10:19,370
and check you do you know about a Ted

1408
01:10:25,180 --> 01:10:22,100
Phillips his experience I think it's in

1409
01:10:29,380 --> 01:10:25,190
chess Livadia where they found something

1410
01:10:31,419 --> 01:10:29,390
buried way way deep into a cave have you

1411
01:10:34,540 --> 01:10:31,429
ever heard about that we well I've had

1412
01:10:47,860 --> 01:10:34,550
yeah before he answers that Tim we need

1413
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:47,870
to go to our break now back to it slow

1414
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:50,719
in the bazaar with two of the most

1415
01:10:56,890 --> 01:10:53,090
electrifying researchers with Harry or

1416
01:11:01,720 --> 01:10:56,900
your hosts Timothy Becca Lee hunting

1417
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:01,730
Swartz and welcome back to the final

1418
01:11:06,490 --> 01:11:04,250
segment of exploring the bizarre it just

1419
01:11:09,070 --> 01:11:06,500
seems like Tim but we get started and

1420
01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:09,080
we're gonna have been well grounded this

1421
01:11:16,270 --> 01:11:13,310
one is flying by like a manta ray that's

1422
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:16,280
right but let me tell you and what a

1423
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:18,530
what an interesting this subject you

1424
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:21,440
know and and Bruce wouldn't you say that

1425
01:11:24,850 --> 01:11:22,640
you know okay

1426
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:24,860
Pine Bush is known maybe around this

1427
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:26,690
area but it's never really gotten the

1428
01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:29,210
hype and the play of let's say the

1429
01:11:35,649 --> 01:11:32,780
Phoenix lights or Roswell if I may say

1430
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:35,659
use it the term I mean it really hasn't

1431
01:11:40,990 --> 01:11:38,239
gotten there hasn't really been a study

1432
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,000
made if it wasn't for you and Ellen yeah

1433
01:11:44,830 --> 01:11:43,040
and the fella that runs the barber shop

1434
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:44,840
there I can't remember his name what's

1435
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:45,530
his name

1436
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:51,770
Bruce huh yeah yeah it is he still there

1437
01:11:58,689 --> 01:11:56,320
it's still cutting hair uh well ask ask

1438
01:12:00,340 --> 01:11:58,699
Linda Zimmerman she had an interview

1439
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:00,350
with him I don't know if he's still with

1440
01:12:04,540 --> 01:12:00,530
us

1441
01:12:06,130 --> 01:12:04,550
ah my name is on the bathroom wall well

1442
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:06,140
I'm sure my name is other few bathroom

1443
01:12:09,790 --> 01:12:08,330
walls but yeah for some reason you had a

1444
01:12:12,820 --> 01:12:09,800
plaque made up of everybody who's

1445
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,830
visited there and and right hanging in

1446
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:14,719
the on the bathroom wall which I guess

1447
01:12:18,010 --> 01:12:16,370
is a good place to put

1448
01:12:21,850 --> 01:12:18,020
because you can cut a study at if you

1449
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:21,860
have a few minutes of time there huh but

1450
01:12:25,810 --> 01:12:23,600
he had in fact I think I saw the

1451
01:12:28,090 --> 01:12:25,820
interview live last night I wasn't sure

1452
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:28,100
who was conducting it but what a

1453
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,030
barbershop

1454
01:12:34,690 --> 01:12:32,000
I mean gotta be well I can't say it's

1455
01:12:37,870 --> 01:12:34,700
the only UFO barber in the world because

1456
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:37,880
my friend Carla over in Jersey City who

1457
01:12:43,990 --> 01:12:40,640
used to be a co-host of another show

1458
01:12:47,380 --> 01:12:44,000
that I did she has the kind of the UFO

1459
01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:47,390
salon you know in fact for while she was

1460
01:12:57,310 --> 01:12:52,520
doing a crop circle haircuts so you know

1461
01:12:59,380 --> 01:12:57,320
I mean there probably are a few of

1462
01:13:03,070 --> 01:12:59,390
people out there who are clipping hair

1463
01:13:08,130 --> 01:13:03,080
and citing UFOs in fact him remember we

1464
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:08,140
used to have the mystic barber oh yeah

1465
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:11,330
and his fantastic headgear dad that's

1466
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:13,370
correct I never could now the mystic

1467
01:13:18,370 --> 01:13:15,650
barber for those of our listeners who

1468
01:13:20,590 --> 01:13:18,380
are not familiar with him goes back to

1469
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:20,600
the days of Long John Neville show who

1470
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:22,970
is of course a pioneer of paranormal

1471
01:13:27,700 --> 01:13:25,010
radio long before anybody else was doing

1472
01:13:29,620 --> 01:13:27,710
it back in the 50s and he had this

1473
01:13:30,610 --> 01:13:29,630
fellow on who lived in Brooklyn he was

1474
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:30,620
quite a character

1475
01:13:36,730 --> 01:13:33,410
he was a tonsorial artist I believe they

1476
01:13:39,550 --> 01:13:36,740
call that somebody who cuts a hair and

1477
01:13:42,130 --> 01:13:39,560
but he was also the mystic barber he

1478
01:13:44,110 --> 01:13:42,140
received I guess he was senior I could

1479
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:44,120
never quite figure it out he was a

1480
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:46,810
likable enough guy but a pretty a

1481
01:13:51,730 --> 01:13:49,280
bizarre when you you know when you had

1482
01:13:53,860 --> 01:13:51,740
to cut it a deal with him and he used to

1483
01:13:57,070 --> 01:13:53,870
have antennae I mean you know today we

1484
01:13:59,230 --> 01:13:57,080
talk about what the the tinfoil hats and

1485
01:14:01,810 --> 01:13:59,240
stuff like I could never figure out

1486
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:01,820
whether he was wearing the tinfoil to

1487
01:14:07,090 --> 01:14:04,250
block singles from the rib from the

1488
01:14:09,370 --> 01:14:07,100
aliens or to make it easier to listen to

1489
01:14:14,050 --> 01:14:09,380
them it was never quite it was never

1490
01:14:15,670 --> 01:14:14,060
quite that you know a parent but he was

1491
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:15,680
a character so I guess you would say

1492
01:14:23,710 --> 01:14:19,210
that there is a history of barbers and

1493
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:23,720
UFOs as there are musicians and UFOs in

1494
01:14:32,050 --> 01:14:29,810
fact them Bruce mentioned before that

1495
01:14:34,540 --> 01:14:32,060
Ellen crystal was a musician and

1496
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:34,550
yesterday or the day before I I don't

1497
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:37,090
think I told you this Tim but I ran into

1498
01:14:43,330 --> 01:14:40,640
Jane you know who was on our program one

1499
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:43,340
time who had UFO sightings in Pine Bush

1500
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:47,360
and and she is a musician eternally so I

1501
01:14:55,060 --> 01:14:52,250
guess you can rock and a sky observer be

1502
01:14:56,940 --> 01:14:55,070
a sky observer a UFO observer at the the

1503
01:15:00,910 --> 01:14:56,950
same point

1504
01:15:01,630 --> 01:15:00,920
I have a treat for you if you're

1505
01:15:03,970 --> 01:15:01,640
interested

1506
01:15:06,700 --> 01:15:03,980
absolutely um one of the things that

1507
01:15:09,070 --> 01:15:06,710
Ellen and I witnessed along with several

1508
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:09,080
other people and the sightings camera

1509
01:15:15,370 --> 01:15:11,090
crew who came out to do an interview

1510
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:15,380
ever was an extraordinary a show of

1511
01:15:21,490 --> 01:15:19,370
these craft before the cameras and there

1512
01:15:23,650 --> 01:15:21,500
are six craft that showed up too which

1513
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:23,660
did stunts right in front of us one of

1514
01:15:31,090 --> 01:15:26,320
the men or a one of a black triangle and

1515
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:31,100
the sightings is afraid to show anything

1516
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:33,650
more than one still photograph of the

1517
01:15:40,150 --> 01:15:37,760
man array and I have a whole website

1518
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:40,160
called the performance it's on a the

1519
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:42,950
blue Fahd website in the UK and I can

1520
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:47,930
play you a Ellen's reaction and voice in

1521
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:50,210
the comments she makes as the manta ray

1522
01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:52,730
comes flying right at us and turns right

1523
01:15:55,570 --> 01:15:53,510
in front of us

1524
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:55,580
vertically if you're interested and

1525
01:16:01,480 --> 01:15:57,410
identities have you got that tuned up

1526
01:16:05,530 --> 01:16:01,490
right now yep I have oh well let are you

1527
01:16:08,530 --> 01:16:05,540
ready to go yeah okay here comes the men

1528
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:08,540
array you know this is all for food not

1529
01:16:26,290 --> 01:16:22,060
boy yeah this is [\h__\h] I mean if he's

1530
01:16:41,390 --> 01:16:34,730
the hell oh look at this the hell oh is

1531
01:16:43,340 --> 01:16:41,400
that now did you get back

1532
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:43,350
oh yeah yeah we did here there yeah

1533
01:16:51,140 --> 01:16:48,810
there that that I mean I got that

1534
01:16:53,570 --> 01:16:51,150
beautiful time exposures and Ellen got a

1535
01:16:56,440 --> 01:16:53,580
pretty good view of it and on that

1536
01:17:00,590 --> 01:16:56,450
webpage I dissect the whole thing and

1537
01:17:01,820 --> 01:17:00,600
the amazing thing is that as the manta

1538
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:01,830
ray was coming towards us

1539
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:04,650
it sort of banked like a plane would and

1540
01:17:09,980 --> 01:17:08,250
then flew past this with it if it had

1541
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:09,990
wings the wings would be vertical to the

1542
01:17:15,820 --> 01:17:11,610
ground so there would be no lift

1543
01:17:19,250 --> 01:17:15,830
whatsoever and as it whatever

1544
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:19,260
pardon no I think that was the voice of

1545
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:23,010
an extraterrestrial like okay no no I

1546
01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:24,690
we're gonna get Harold come home try to

1547
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:26,670
get Harold back on he's been he's been

1548
01:17:33,950 --> 01:17:29,040
abducted I think so

1549
01:17:38,530 --> 01:17:33,960
go ahead go ahead but any rate the it

1550
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:38,540
turned on a more what appeared to be

1551
01:17:45,250 --> 01:17:42,690
engines that wind up a turbines and and

1552
01:17:48,580 --> 01:17:45,260
lights of two pairs of lights came on

1553
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:48,590
along the bottom of the manta ray and

1554
01:17:55,370 --> 01:17:52,290
then it turned and went away but when

1555
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:55,380
analyzing the video the amazing thing is

1556
01:18:01,310 --> 01:17:58,080
that the lights were worked according to

1557
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:01,320
a gravity field so that they were tow in

1558
01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:04,770
as it approached and toe-out as it left

1559
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:06,900
so you could actually see the physical

1560
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:09,570
Evans of the gravity field of this craft

1561
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:14,910
bending the light so that was one of the

1562
01:18:21,290 --> 01:18:18,290
exciting things and discoveries of that

1563
01:18:25,220 --> 01:18:21,300
utilizing that data also he would ask me

1564
01:18:27,890 --> 01:18:25,230
about yes go sound yes of these many

1565
01:18:30,730 --> 01:18:27,900
times they would make sounds that of

1566
01:18:34,430 --> 01:18:30,740
different kinds of sounds and they were

1567
01:18:36,410 --> 01:18:34,440
upon analysis they were always indicated

1568
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:36,420
reversed Doppler do you know what that

1569
01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:40,169
means yeah we were stopped in Glendora

1570
01:18:46,850 --> 01:18:43,380
and better as object soundest is

1571
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:46,860
approaching you the frequency increases

1572
01:18:52,879 --> 01:18:49,199
and then as it that sound moves away

1573
01:18:57,469 --> 01:18:52,889
from you the frequency decreases but all

1574
01:18:59,779 --> 01:18:57,479
of these craft routinely and produce the

1575
01:19:02,810 --> 01:18:59,789
exact opposite as they approached the

1576
01:19:04,489 --> 01:19:02,820
sound decreased kept on decreasing and

1577
01:19:06,679 --> 01:19:04,499
decreasing decrease until it was

1578
01:19:10,759 --> 01:19:06,689
directly overhead and as they flew away

1579
01:19:13,909 --> 01:19:10,769
the sound would increase and I consulted

1580
01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:13,919
with a physicist on California by the

1581
01:19:18,290 --> 01:19:16,260
name of Jack Safari and he said oh my

1582
01:19:20,540 --> 01:19:18,300
god you've just proven one of my

1583
01:19:23,540 --> 01:19:20,550
theories that if you have a gravity

1584
01:19:27,379 --> 01:19:23,550
field around a sound source it will

1585
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:27,389
reverse the the Doppler effect

1586
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:31,679
and so the Doppler the river stopler in

1587
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:35,010
essence it demonstrates a gravity field

1588
01:19:41,799 --> 01:19:38,130
around the craft now last last night I

1589
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:41,809
was reviewing some of the footage from

1590
01:19:47,839 --> 01:19:45,449
Pine Bush in fact some of your videos

1591
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:47,849
were posted and and there's this one

1592
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:50,880
craft that appears over you and it's

1593
01:19:57,580 --> 01:19:53,280
making a you know the the sounds and

1594
01:20:00,139 --> 01:19:57,590
then all of a sudden it shoots down

1595
01:20:03,319 --> 01:20:00,149
light beams I mean that's the best way I

1596
01:20:05,299 --> 01:20:03,329
could describe it I mean unless a plane

1597
01:20:07,879 --> 01:20:05,309
is about ready to land in an airport

1598
01:20:09,979 --> 01:20:07,889
that's not something that they normally

1599
01:20:13,250 --> 01:20:09,989
would do under any circumstances I don't

1600
01:20:15,529 --> 01:20:13,260
believe in a in an area like that what

1601
01:20:17,319 --> 01:20:15,539
would be the purpose I mean for a plane

1602
01:20:21,770 --> 01:20:17,329
that size it's not like it's a police

1603
01:20:23,689 --> 01:20:21,780
you know a plane or not directly and

1604
01:20:26,350 --> 01:20:23,699
then the beam shot down and then they

1605
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:26,360
rotated forward and as it flew over

1606
01:20:31,759 --> 01:20:29,820
Barbara Hartwell and I watching this the

1607
01:20:35,709 --> 01:20:31,769
shape of it it was the shape of the kite

1608
01:20:39,949 --> 01:20:35,719
but I check the men array and we now

1609
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:39,959
about three or four fantastic videos of

1610
01:20:45,949 --> 01:20:43,110
that and that craft can move its legs

1611
01:20:47,929 --> 01:20:45,959
around on at all so they are not fixed

1612
01:20:51,290 --> 01:20:47,939
they're not Lance they're plasmas and

1613
01:20:54,089 --> 01:20:51,300
they can be the change position on the

1614
01:20:58,419 --> 01:20:54,099
Holland we have documented that

1615
01:21:01,510 --> 01:20:58,429
now okay are there colors associated

1616
01:21:04,300 --> 01:21:01,520
with the with the the lights or are they

1617
01:21:07,870 --> 01:21:04,310
the same colors that you would see on an

1618
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:07,880
airplane when I try to mimic an airplane

1619
01:21:12,669 --> 01:21:10,159
they all try to copy the red and green

1620
01:21:15,669 --> 01:21:12,679
navigation lights out of these starboard

1621
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:15,679
and port sides and they'll have red

1622
01:21:21,689 --> 01:21:17,810
blinking lights and sometimes they'll

1623
01:21:25,689 --> 01:21:21,699
have blue lights on top and other times

1624
01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:25,699
they'll have headlights or landing

1625
01:21:30,370 --> 01:21:28,310
lights what is strange is that they will

1626
01:21:32,290 --> 01:21:30,380
put them out at the wingtips now what

1627
01:21:32,830 --> 01:21:32,300
good would our landing lights out of the

1628
01:21:36,010 --> 01:21:32,840
wingtips

1629
01:21:38,109 --> 01:21:36,020
on a conventional airplane plane when

1630
01:21:43,180 --> 01:21:38,119
the pilot has to see the runway in front

1631
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:43,190
of him ah bu you're the researcher now I

1632
01:21:47,979 --> 01:21:45,710
don't know I mean that's a good question

1633
01:21:51,220 --> 01:21:47,989
I mean everything about all this is is

1634
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:51,230
rather perplexing and and and strange

1635
01:21:54,430 --> 01:21:52,880
also too now okay

1636
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:54,440
most of these sightings are a lot of

1637
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:56,239
these sightings are fairly late at night

1638
01:22:04,570 --> 01:22:00,400
don't the airport's closed at some time

1639
01:22:06,729 --> 01:22:04,580
yeah yep and that is one of our ways of

1640
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:06,739
determining whether or not they where as

1641
01:22:13,689 --> 01:22:10,010
you know one of ours I had a witness a

1642
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:13,699
really funny case where I was on South

1643
01:22:19,390 --> 01:22:15,650
Shore Road which was not too far from

1644
01:22:23,070 --> 01:22:19,400
Orange County in decibel Airport and it

1645
01:22:26,530 --> 01:22:23,080
was before nine o'clock and I saw this

1646
01:22:28,660 --> 01:22:26,540
heard this airplane taking off from

1647
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:28,670
Orange County and it was traveling

1648
01:22:34,780 --> 01:22:32,239
towards me and I saw this light off in

1649
01:22:39,939 --> 01:22:34,790
the distance and it was moving from left

1650
01:22:42,370 --> 01:22:39,949
to right across my field and the pilot

1651
01:22:44,410 --> 01:22:42,380
of that plane saw the light and he

1652
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:44,420
thanked his plane and started chasing it

1653
01:22:48,129 --> 01:22:46,610
and he got right behind it and it was

1654
01:22:49,689 --> 01:22:48,139
catching up to it and all of a sudden

1655
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:49,699
that might just took off like a bat out

1656
01:22:56,740 --> 01:22:50,000
of hell

1657
01:22:59,290 --> 01:22:56,750
and left him in the dust hmm well now we

1658
01:23:03,250 --> 01:22:59,300
have a question from one of our

1659
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:03,260
listeners who was asking whether or not

1660
01:23:06,689 --> 01:23:05,330
some of these craft that was being seen

1661
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:06,699
over the pipe

1662
01:23:12,810 --> 01:23:08,530
there could have been you know like a

1663
01:23:17,609 --> 01:23:12,820
secret black budget US Air Force craft

1664
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:17,619
say like the TR was at the tr-3b s you

1665
01:23:22,979 --> 01:23:21,280
know I mean yeah what do you what do you

1666
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:22,989
think about that I mean you know do you

1667
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:25,360
think there's a possibility that that

1668
01:23:31,799 --> 01:23:28,090
you're dealing with you know terrestrial

1669
01:23:35,100 --> 01:23:31,809
secret terrestrial craft well very

1670
01:23:37,169 --> 01:23:35,110
likely it's possible because I mean when

1671
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:37,179
I was at MIT we got reports coming in of

1672
01:23:41,100 --> 01:23:39,010
people seeing these black triangles take

1673
01:23:45,569 --> 01:23:41,110
off and land at military and naval

1674
01:23:48,569 --> 01:23:45,579
airport air strips so that's not a the

1675
01:23:52,319 --> 01:23:48,579
issue if we go Kelliher pull together

1676
01:23:58,350 --> 01:23:52,329
three databases and put out maps and if

1677
01:24:01,439 --> 01:23:58,360
you go to files files number 18 which is

1678
01:24:03,839 --> 01:24:01,449
the most recent one you're going to get

1679
01:24:07,259 --> 01:24:03,849
a treat because I have that data

1680
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:07,269
uh George published that data on there

1681
01:24:12,779 --> 01:24:09,570
showing the maps and the in the graphs

1682
01:24:15,979 --> 01:24:12,789
how rapidly the sightings of black

1683
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:15,989
triangles increased from about 1995

1684
01:24:25,279 --> 01:24:20,170
after the Belgium sightings in nineteen

1685
01:24:27,449 --> 01:24:25,289
eighty nine and ninety and then the

1686
01:24:31,020 --> 01:24:27,459
number of sightings goes through the

1687
01:24:34,549 --> 01:24:31,030
roof so it and he said that either

1688
01:24:37,129 --> 01:24:34,559
you're getting a combination of

1689
01:24:41,449 --> 01:24:37,139
conventional military and

1690
01:24:44,489 --> 01:24:41,459
extraterrestrial hardware being cited or

1691
01:24:48,779 --> 01:24:44,499
we are in the middle of a first wave of

1692
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:48,789
an alien invasion well if they wanted to

1693
01:24:52,919 --> 01:24:51,280
invade us though I mean what first of

1694
01:24:55,410 --> 01:24:52,929
all what would they invade us I mean

1695
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:55,420
like why D invasion and if they wanted

1696
01:24:59,580 --> 01:24:57,489
to invasion Vedas they could have done

1697
01:25:01,049 --> 01:24:59,590
it a heck of a long time ago I know

1698
01:25:03,689 --> 01:25:01,059
there are some people think that like I

1699
01:25:05,939 --> 01:25:03,699
said that yeah that probe was four

1700
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:05,949
hundred million years old or deficient

1701
01:25:08,879 --> 01:25:08,050
in age from the age of the rock that

1702
01:25:11,279 --> 01:25:08,889
into it

1703
01:25:14,629 --> 01:25:11,289
so each a is known about earth for

1704
01:25:17,839 --> 01:25:14,639
almost as long as complex life on Earth

1705
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:17,849
well I think that that might be true but

1706
01:25:20,610 --> 01:25:20,320
okay so they've been visiting here since

1707
01:25:23,460 --> 01:25:20,620
then

1708
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:23,470
or coming here or are here I mean my

1709
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:26,050
concept in theory of this is that they

1710
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:29,250
are part of the the structure of the

1711
01:25:34,140 --> 01:25:32,080
environment I mean they are here pretty

1712
01:25:37,650 --> 01:25:34,150
much all the time and use different

1713
01:25:40,350 --> 01:25:37,660
portals and you know do a little bit of

1714
01:25:42,450 --> 01:25:40,360
a dimension-hopping and come and go

1715
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:42,460
pretty much as they they've obviously

1716
01:25:48,060 --> 01:25:45,130
you know learn some dynamics of physics

1717
01:25:50,370 --> 01:25:48,070
that we haven't quite grasped or caught

1718
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:50,380
up to at the moment but you know what I

1719
01:25:56,340 --> 01:25:54,310
wanted to ask you now do you you you've

1720
01:25:59,780 --> 01:25:56,350
you've moved out of the area what what

1721
01:26:05,130 --> 01:25:59,790
year did you move back out of the area I

1722
01:26:09,150 --> 01:26:05,140
moved in in January of 2004 I went out

1723
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:09,160
to Las Vegas ah okay now I have these

1724
01:26:15,330 --> 01:26:11,890
objects followed you I mean I know you

1725
01:26:18,180 --> 01:26:15,340
took a photograph of a of a let's say

1726
01:26:20,010 --> 01:26:18,190
sasquatch for lack of a better term how

1727
01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:20,020
did that all come about I mean are these

1728
01:26:26,190 --> 01:26:24,580
things kind of in your a dimensional you

1729
01:26:27,780 --> 01:26:26,200
know I mean are they there whether you

1730
01:26:28,820 --> 01:26:27,790
have they framed they've latched on to

1731
01:26:33,090 --> 01:26:28,830
you

1732
01:26:37,860 --> 01:26:33,100
well let's mostly do the work of my my

1733
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:37,870
ex-wife Sharon who's now in living in

1734
01:26:42,870 --> 01:26:40,480
Canada with her Canadian husband but

1735
01:26:45,390 --> 01:26:42,880
when she called up knids on the first

1736
01:26:47,460 --> 01:26:45,400
day I was there she asked me if she

1737
01:26:49,290 --> 01:26:47,470
wanted to know if knids was interested

1738
01:26:51,450 --> 01:26:49,300
in Bigfoot and I said yes we're

1739
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:51,460
definitely interested in Bigfoot she

1740
01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:54,400
said she is the head of the El Paso

1741
01:26:58,680 --> 01:26:56,710
Bigfoot society because of all the

1742
01:27:03,000 --> 01:26:58,690
sightings that had been made of Bigfoot

1743
01:27:06,170 --> 01:27:03,010
in and around this area and that is how

1744
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:06,180
we got to know each other but she

1745
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:09,450
introduced me to all of the records of

1746
01:27:18,510 --> 01:27:15,130
local sightings and the the photograph

1747
01:27:21,210 --> 01:27:18,520
did you take the picture I think I'm the

1748
01:27:22,380 --> 01:27:21,220
one who took the picture but I don't we

1749
01:27:26,220 --> 01:27:22,390
don't we're not sure what that is

1750
01:27:30,630 --> 01:27:26,230
anymore um and and Sharon thinks it's

1751
01:27:32,220 --> 01:27:30,640
just a giant barrel cactus but you can't

1752
01:27:34,500 --> 01:27:32,230
confirm well it could be it could be

1753
01:27:38,430 --> 01:27:34,510
Bigfoot disguising himself as a cactus

1754
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:38,440
yeah well yeah well I mean it did did

1755
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:41,650
you see it when you took the picture yes

1756
01:27:45,540 --> 01:27:45,250
oh and did it lock guard roll down the

1757
01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:45,550
limb

1758
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:48,310
no it just stayed in place and then

1759
01:27:54,570 --> 01:27:52,090
wasn't rude that's why we Sharon thinks

1760
01:28:00,420 --> 01:27:54,580
it's just a barrel caucus well what do

1761
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:00,430
you think issue more confirmation yeah I

1762
01:28:06,090 --> 01:28:03,040
don't felt the legacy to go back and see

1763
01:28:10,410 --> 01:28:06,100
if the cactus is still there right and

1764
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:10,420
the guide in plays right or you notice

1765
01:28:18,780 --> 01:28:13,410
the cactus has moved one arm you know

1766
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:18,790
islamism here comes Bruce well you know

1767
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:23,730
it is it I'm sorry Bruce go ahead it is

1768
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:28,690
you know we wonder how a Bates look it

1769
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:32,320
can hide you know I mean and be around

1770
01:28:36,750 --> 01:28:34,090
us and yet many people don't see them

1771
01:28:39,210 --> 01:28:36,760
and that's one of the pieces of

1772
01:28:40,890 --> 01:28:39,220
information I picked up from from Colm

1773
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:40,900
Kelleher we're totally a bunch of

1774
01:28:47,430 --> 01:28:45,330
stories a Bigfoot stories at MIT and

1775
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:47,440
Sharron and I when we went up there

1776
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:50,320
three rivers in southern New Mexico we

1777
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:55,930
talked to a ranger up there and he said

1778
01:29:04,170 --> 01:28:59,440
he had a similar experience where he was

1779
01:29:07,470 --> 01:29:04,180
driving to his trailer at the park and

1780
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:07,480
he sees this creature walking along a

1781
01:29:13,620 --> 01:29:10,650
ridge off to this to the right he he

1782
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:13,630
slows his truck down and he's watching

1783
01:29:19,650 --> 01:29:16,810
it and it walks right into what appears

1784
01:29:21,870 --> 01:29:19,660
to be a portal and disappears and calm

1785
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:21,880
Kelleher was telling me the same thing

1786
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:25,690
that he said that this he got a report

1787
01:29:30,930 --> 01:29:27,760
of this rancher on his horse who's

1788
01:29:33,630 --> 01:29:30,940
riding out on his range and he saw a

1789
01:29:36,420 --> 01:29:33,640
Bigfoot up ahead of him and as soon as

1790
01:29:40,230 --> 01:29:36,430
the Bigfoot noticed him he disappeared

1791
01:29:42,630 --> 01:29:40,240
hmm well then we handed up ya case that

1792
01:29:47,010 --> 01:29:42,640
I wrote up all back many many years ago

1793
01:29:48,330 --> 01:29:47,020
in saga magazine there was you know the

1794
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:48,340
skunk ape of the

1795
01:29:56,060 --> 01:29:51,970
Everglades and at the point at that time

1796
01:29:58,830 --> 01:29:56,070
around 1974 I think it was there was a

1797
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:58,840
professor oz bond I believe his name is

1798
01:30:04,820 --> 01:30:01,600
if I can recall correctly and they had

1799
01:30:08,700 --> 01:30:04,830
actually you know how to a group of

1800
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:08,710
people associated with the local college

1801
01:30:11,940 --> 01:30:10,480
who were trying to you know find out

1802
01:30:14,330 --> 01:30:11,950
what they could and they they had to

1803
01:30:17,010 --> 01:30:14,340
certain areas actually you know like

1804
01:30:19,260 --> 01:30:17,020
rubbed off with cameras and sesterces or

1805
01:30:21,450 --> 01:30:19,270
you know long before I guess

1806
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:21,460
cryptozoology it had become as popular

1807
01:30:28,230 --> 01:30:24,370
as it seems to be in now but he told me

1808
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:28,240
this one story where the this hairy

1809
01:30:33,630 --> 01:30:30,970
smelly a creature some of them were not

1810
01:30:35,850 --> 01:30:33,640
you know they were like albino I don't

1811
01:30:41,130 --> 01:30:35,860
know if this particular case was but it

1812
01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:41,140
got onto the the property and they had a

1813
01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:43,030
security guard and there were a bunch of

1814
01:30:47,970 --> 01:30:45,280
like eighteen then wheelers you know

1815
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:47,980
trucks parked there and some have the

1816
01:30:54,440 --> 01:30:51,370
security guard had trapped the the

1817
01:30:59,250 --> 01:30:54,450
creature inside of one of these

1818
01:31:01,260 --> 01:30:59,260
18-wheelers and anyway he called the

1819
01:31:03,420 --> 01:31:01,270
police and other guards on the property

1820
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:03,430
and they came you know took the guns

1821
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:06,250
editor poster a hoster and I think

1822
01:31:10,620 --> 01:31:08,170
momentarily or for a minute or two they

1823
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:10,630
heard the you know the Beast the

1824
01:31:16,050 --> 01:31:13,930
pounding on the on the vehicle trying to

1825
01:31:18,540 --> 01:31:16,060
get out or make a make a point of being

1826
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:18,550
heard and finally when they dared open

1827
01:31:26,010 --> 01:31:22,810
the back door to the truck it was

1828
01:31:29,340 --> 01:31:26,020
completely empty but they did have the

1829
01:31:32,730 --> 01:31:29,350
horrendous a smell or odor given off by

1830
01:31:34,500 --> 01:31:32,740
the skunk ape and now that story kind of

1831
01:31:37,140 --> 01:31:34,510
always intrigued me and then they were

1832
01:31:41,370 --> 01:31:37,150
cases that I remember there was a UFO

1833
01:31:43,260 --> 01:31:41,380
landing in Athens Ohio and this thing it

1834
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:43,270
actually dropped down the behind the

1835
01:31:48,180 --> 01:31:46,960
farmers a house in a cornfield except

1836
01:31:51,180 --> 01:31:48,190
when I got out there it was actually a

1837
01:31:54,180 --> 01:31:51,190
little patch of corn it wasn't very very

1838
01:31:56,220 --> 01:31:54,190
large cornfield but his grandson had

1839
01:31:57,930 --> 01:31:56,230
seen to come down and apparently it left

1840
01:31:59,820 --> 01:31:57,940
some intentions in the ground in a lit

1841
01:32:02,310 --> 01:31:59,830
tripod landing gear and so forth and so

1842
01:32:04,830 --> 01:32:02,320
on and I had time to kill I mean

1843
01:32:05,549 --> 01:32:04,840
I didn't go back into the corn I mean I

1844
01:32:07,109 --> 01:32:05,559
didn't see it

1845
01:32:09,890 --> 01:32:07,119
purpose in doing that I took his word

1846
01:32:11,819 --> 01:32:09,900
for it but I went around and talked to

1847
01:32:13,500 --> 01:32:11,829
some of the people there and they had

1848
01:32:16,290 --> 01:32:13,510
all kinds of different experiences

1849
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:16,300
including a Bigfoot two sightings one

1850
01:32:20,729 --> 01:32:18,400
woman said up no UFOs here but you know

1851
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:20,739
this creature comes and stands behind

1852
01:32:25,589 --> 01:32:23,170
the house back where the air conditioner

1853
01:32:28,770 --> 01:32:25,599
is and sometimes you can find is you

1854
01:32:30,839 --> 01:32:28,780
know prints in the in the in the muddy

1855
01:32:32,490 --> 01:32:30,849
soil there but you know books are kind

1856
01:32:34,649 --> 01:32:32,500
of coming into it at the end of the show

1857
01:32:40,729 --> 01:32:34,659
here and I did want to give you the

1858
01:32:45,629 --> 01:32:40,739
opportunity here to tell it not really

1859
01:32:49,169 --> 01:32:45,639
an egg hallucination if these big thing

1860
01:32:51,209 --> 01:32:49,179
are capable of projecting a negative

1861
01:32:52,799 --> 01:32:51,219
hallucination that was basically

1862
01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:52,809
hypnotizing the people who are seeing

1863
01:32:56,729 --> 01:32:55,030
them they can make them disappear they

1864
01:32:59,069 --> 01:32:56,739
can appear to disappear they really

1865
01:33:01,680 --> 01:32:59,079
don't disappear it just seemed to

1866
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:01,690
disappear in your own mind time it kind

1867
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:04,239
of like the magician what's his name Tim

1868
01:33:10,410 --> 01:33:06,570
that can make the Statue of Liberty

1869
01:33:11,879 --> 01:33:10,420
disappear okay well yeah you guys we got

1870
01:33:14,069 --> 01:33:11,889
two minutes left

1871
01:33:17,220 --> 01:33:14,079
give the people to rundown on where they

1872
01:33:19,339 --> 01:33:17,230
can find your web page and what you're

1873
01:33:23,540 --> 01:33:19,349
going to be doing in the coming months

1874
01:33:26,850 --> 01:33:23,550
okay google my name dr. Bruce Cornett

1875
01:33:32,069 --> 01:33:26,860
you will get several different links to

1876
01:33:37,100 --> 01:33:32,079
my web pages and one of them is down

1877
01:33:44,430 --> 01:33:37,110
Monmouth calm and another is on sun.star

1878
01:33:46,500 --> 01:33:44,440
and Bunsen are solutions.com but if you

1879
01:33:50,129 --> 01:33:46,510
just do the Google my name you're going

1880
01:33:52,379 --> 01:33:50,139
to find least an entrance doorway front

1881
01:33:55,529 --> 01:33:52,389
page to get in then you can maneuver

1882
01:33:56,819 --> 01:33:55,539
around and find the different pages yep

1883
01:33:59,399 --> 01:33:56,829
well that seemed already the easy

1884
01:34:03,390 --> 01:33:59,409
schedule yeah easiest way to find

1885
01:34:05,870 --> 01:34:03,400
anybody these days is just to go to a

1886
01:34:09,660 --> 01:34:05,880
your favorite search engine and take a

1887
01:34:11,609 --> 01:34:09,670
you know take a search there Bruce I

1888
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:11,619
want to thank you so much what a

1889
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:14,170
fabulous interview it's good to talk

1890
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:15,450
with you and I

1891
01:34:19,610 --> 01:34:18,210
think Harold who disappeared into thin

1892
01:34:23,570 --> 01:34:19,620
air I think there was some circuit

1893
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:23,580
problems between Las Vegas and New York

1894
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:27,090
what a wonderful show and this is UFO

1895
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:30,090
month on exploring the bizarre and Tim

1896
01:34:41,590 --> 01:34:32,970
have a wonderful week and I'll see it

1897
01:34:48,020 --> 01:34:44,420
you've been listening to exploring the

1898
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:48,030
bizarre with hosts Timothy Becky and

1899
01:34:54,590 --> 01:34:51,690
King Swartz taking back the night by

1900
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:54,600
jetting non-stop across the cosmos in

1901
01:35:00,460 --> 01:34:57,090
search of the truly bizarre and totally

1902
01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:00,470
unexplained if you as they're cold

1903
01:35:08,740 --> 01:35:03,440
Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific

1904
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:08,750
10:00 p.m. on the K cor digital Radian

1905
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:11,760
for more information on exploring the

1906
01:35:17,900 --> 01:35:15,060
bizarre and host Timothy Beckley and Tim

1907
01:35:21,020 --> 01:35:17,910
Swartz check out their K cor digital

1908
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:21,030
radio network follow their YouTube

1909
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:26,610
channel at M our UFO 11-hundred explore